chuckebaby
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how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?problem solved.ya baby!!
im trying to get the time line synched to my midi track.i used a sr 16 drum machine to control session drummer.under clock i set it to:midi.so it follows my drum machine.only problem is after about 45 seconds it falls out of synch with my time line with is making it difficult to follow.i did it before no problem but now with a song at a slower tempo its falling off. thanks guys PROBLEM SOLVED:you need to use the nudge feature-which inturn will line up your track in synch with time line to make it easier to edit loops...use ..process/nudge/left or right. got sick of dealing with it and found a way.thank you to all who helped out.
post edited by chuckebaby - 2011/03/12 21:02:11
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 11:30:01
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Is the BPM the same for X1 and the drum machine?
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 12:05:18
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I would make Sonar the master clock and let the SR16 follow it.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 12:06:01
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yes it is john..the click is on with the drum track as well...but even the click falls out out synch with the time line..its hard to punch in on measures because rather than being at the begining of that measure.its a half second ahead
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 12:15:44
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chuckebaby
yes it is john..the click is on with the drum track as well...but even the click falls out out synch with the time line..its hard to punch in on measures because rather than being at the begining of that measure.its a half second ahead
Charles, The two things that come to mind to cause drift are: wrong master clock or conflicting master clock_s, and sample rate differences. IF you have a master clock setup right, it should always be in control of the devices. So the fact you're getting drift suggests the clock is wrong, or it is not setup properly so as to control 'all' devices. Also - not all BPM are the same. If you're using the SR16 clock as master and it has an inefficient crystal, what is 120BPM to Sonar may not be 120BPM to the SR16 (jitter comes into play as well). But this is why I would always try to make my host (Sonar in this case) the master. Especially since you're looking to get the data into Sonar as opposed to out of it.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 12:21:41
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thank you billy..this was very helpful sir.i do have my sr 16 as set to midi in clock preferences..i need to because im synching up tracks from another prodject clocked to the sr 16,time..as your right the crystals are different.i wish for the life of me i knew how i did it a few nights ago..it followed the timeline flawlesly.maybe ticks???does ticks play a part in any of this?
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 13:24:02
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thank you billy..this was very helpful sir.i do have my sr 16 as set to midi in clock preferences..i need to because im synching up tracks from another prodject clocked to the sr 16,time..as your right the crystals are different.i wish for the life of me i knew how i did it a few nights ago..it followed the timeline flawlesly.maybe ticks???does ticks play a part in any of this?
Well, first I would approach it deductively. Setup a new project with the SR16 as the source clock and Sonar slaving to it. Then just run the metronome in Sonar as if you're recording for whatever length of time you think it takes for this drift to happen. I don't think the 'ticks' (PPQN) matter, but I could be wrong. You could always try setting the same PPQN in Sonar since internally Sonar ALWAYS uses 960 anyway. But the purpose of this test is to see if a fresh project ehibits the same problem. If it does NOT, then double check your settings in the actual problem project to see if they are equal to your test settings. Let me know how that goes. We can always try to debug further if need be, Charles. PS- check your MIDI cables, and make sure you don't have any loopback going on.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 14:16:04
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I have never used sonar in this way, but I thought I read that sonar had to be the master and that it wouldn't work correctly if you tried to make sonar the slave?
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 16:23:51
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thanks beagle.i did get it to work before but it was one of those accidents...the kind you dont remember how you did it???..man i should have taken notes...i always take notes when starting something different..like learning to synch..the worst is when i take notes..and i cant read parts of my own writing...lol
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 16:44:27
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For me, it's worse when I write "notes" and nobody can play them! 
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 16:56:17
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For me, it's worse when I write "notes" and nobody can play them!
note to self:cant read notes,or play them :)
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 19:59:05
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noones biting on this one hu?...o well thanks for all that replyed..its very apreciated
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 20:20:49
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My SR16 syncs with Sonar perfectly using Sonar as clock. Using the SR16 as clock on the other hand results in drift as you describe, though not a huge amount.
I have a non-MIDI equipped Boss delay (DD20). Set to the same tempo as Sonar it's internal clock doesn't wander noticably over several minutes - certainly nothing like as much as half a second. Run against the SR16 with the SR16 generating its own clock then the two do gradually diverge a little.
My conclusion is the (20-odd year old design) SR16 clock isn't as accurate as it could be. Try using Sonar to send clock to the SR16.
Is the other project clocked against the SR16 MIDI or audio? Either way it should be possible (albeit a slow job) to get those tracks lined up correctly one way or another.
Incidentally, I haven't the manual to hand (I'm not at the DAW) but I seem to remember reading somewhere that Sonar can't play audio unless Sonar is the master clock.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 20:40:21
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noones biting on this one hu?...o well thanks for all that replyed..its very apreciated
Can you explain to me exactly how you have this all configured? Are you using MTC, or Song Position Pointer on the SR16 (I don't have one so I'm not sure how it 'sends' clock)? And if you do make Sonar the master, explain again, if you will, why that doesn't work? I'm trying to think of solutions but need to be clear on some of the setup.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 21:40:48
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well i have recorded 24 track of audio on a tascam 2488 neo the drum tracks were slaved to an sr 16...the sr is the clock..ive transfred those tracks to sonar..onto the time line..they all line up perfect..i dont want those drum tracks from the sr 16..i want to use the midi instead..so i have the patterns from the sr 16 still in my drum machine..i hooked it up.and grabed the midi(recorded the midi.used it for session drummer 3.it works awesome..now everything lines up..except..it doesnt line up with the timeline..so all tracks align properly.but dont align with the timeline.they do at first but after 5 or 6 measueres they drift..they drift between the measures of the timeline.
i want to edit these pieces but its near impossible to grab loops when i cant use snap to measure?see what i mean?i wish i could use sonars clock..but like you said before billy..there crystals dont match..they drift off over a few measures even though there both set to 76 for a tempo
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/11 21:58:38
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well i have recorded 24 track of audio on a tascam 2488 neo the drum tracks were slaved to an sr 16...the sr is the clock..ive transfred those tracks to sonar..onto the time line..they all line up perfect..i dont want those drum tracks from the sr 16..i want to use the midi instead..so i have the patterns from the sr 16 still in my drum machine..i hooked it up.and grabed the midi(recorded the midi.used it for session drummer 3.it works awesome..now everything lines up..except..it doesnt line up with the timeline..so all tracks align properly.but dont align with the timeline.they do at first but after 5 or 6 measueres they drift..they drift between the measures of the timeline.
i want to edit these pieces but its near impossible to grab loops when i cant use snap to measure?see what i mean?i wish i could use sonars clock..but like you said before billy..there crystals dont match..they drift off over a few measures even though there both set to 76 for a tempo
It sounds to me, and I'm guessing a bit here, that the real difference the clocks being used from one element of the project (the original recording) to the next. You might want to 'try' to use AudioSnap (good luck) to create a new tempo map for the project in Sonar. Since you say all the tracks line up, it means there's some degree of consistency in those tracks. So isolate one - c hoosing the one with the best transients - and create a tempo map from it. This might at least get you to where you want to be. You could always fine tune the tempo map if the transients aren't solid enough.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/12 14:14:44
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You can minutely adjust the tempo from bar to bar (tempo map view). Obseve the audio appearing to move, line up kick or what ever with the begging of each bar. (your actually just adjusting what the gridline/midi tempo map does not the audio) I do this if I want to match a tempo of original artist and make my midi follow tempo up and down, as well as bars lining up. Makes editing so much easier and keeps the human tempo variations. Then after the fact you can change the tempo to what you want. Different, but may or may not be helpful.
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/12 21:03:43
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use process/nudge/right or left..in my case it was nudge right 2...great feature.thank you all
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/12 21:26:56
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hay Charles glad you got that.. in my other prgm. i highlight the whole line and place is it where i want it..
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/12 22:15:40
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hay Charles glad you got that.. in my other prgm. i highlight the whole line and place is it where i want it..
thats a great idea jon..i should have thought about atleast rying that on this...fought with it for hours..but feel good i solved it
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Re:how do i get the time line to synch up with my midi track?
2011/03/12 22:30:46
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keep up the song writing and shop you music, there are
many usable prgms , midi has its place but not on a HDR
id perfer to fly in elements like is did on tape, manualy..
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