Jimbo21
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Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
Anyone familiar with this from Audiomidi? SONiVOX (Sonic Implants) SoundStage "No-Brainer" Deal SoundStage is a comprehensive virtual instrument with guitars, basses, drums, orchestral instruments, synths, sfx, and much much more. SoundStage brings you a comprehensive palette of instruments all designed to work well together in your mix. Your Price: $15.00 Jim
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 02:20:26
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I am looking but am unable to find what soft synth player is required to use this plugin. Any insight would be appreciated.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 08:34:42
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Keebo, this comes with it’s own synth player. This is basically a GM compatible player. Although I do not have this one I do have another DVI from Sonivox and it’s ok, not stellar but ok. My guess this would sound very similar to the TTS-1. Note that this came out in 2009 so I don’t know if it’s 64 bit compatible or not. Does anyone know?
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 10:44:07
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 13:49:21
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Audio demos can be found here. Scroll down about 75% of the way to the bottom of the page. It doesn't sound bad, and for 15 bucks could be a nice addition, especially for someone who currently only has the TTS-1 as a GM synth. EDIT: googled it on KVR and there are numerous reports there of crashes with this product. Some are old threads from when SoundStage was first released, but some are current.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 14:28:46
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Its a POS under Windows 7 64 Ultimate Does not work. Their so called 'Support' is awol.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/12 23:50:08
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Wow! I looked at your link on KVR Bit (appreciate that). Right now there's about 4 pages of posts trashing everything from the sound to the crappy installer, all the way to it crashes my machine and it has PACE as well. Moving on now... Jim
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/13 11:38:31
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The audio demos at Sonivox's site don't sound very different from the quality of their Soundfont demos from more than a decade ago. I would bet that some of those same guitars and basses samples are being used in the demos from those old Soundfonts from more than 10 yrs ago. It's a real shame that Sonivox/Sonic Implants didn't keep up with the pace of the sample development world, because in the late 90s/very early 2000s, I thought their sample libraries were really good quality (I bought a bunch of their libraries back then -- and they're still selling those same ones today). With today's evolved sample standards with multiple velocity layers, round robins, scripting, built-in convolution reverb, etc. even a good number of one-man sample developers are light years beyond what I've heard my last perusal of Sonivox's website. I would be very happy to see Sonivox get involved in doing state of the art sample libraries that rival the best KONTAKT libraries today. However, in this case, based on the demos and the feedback from users over at KVR, I would strongly suggest that anyone considering this VST download and install the free demo from Sonivox and also pick up Native Instruments free Komplete Players, Yellow Tools Independence Free, SampleTank Free and PlugSound Free. That will greatly help you make an informed choice.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/13 15:19:16
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Right now there's about 4 pages of posts trashing everything from the sound to the crappy installer, all the way to it crashes my machine and it has PACE as well. Actually, the PACE requirement is outdated information and no longer applies to this product. [EDIT: I may be wrong about this. One poster on KVR said that the PACE driver was indeed installed for the demo. Even if no dongle is required, who wants that crap on their system anyway?] Over the past year or so we've seen a lot of older products go on sale for ridiculously cheap prices. I think it's a mistake to hold them to current standards but rather to evaluate them for what they are: yesterday's technology at a bargain price. And just like the bargain-bins at the record or book store, occasional treasures can be found for peanuts. For example, I picked up SampleTank last year for some insane price. Many of the samples are unusable. No velocity layers, no scripting, no round-robin variations. Definitely not up to current standards. But guess what? I absolutely love it. There are enough usable patches to justify the low price I paid. Compared to most newer products it's very easy on the CPU. I can run 16 voices with about the same CPU hit as one Kontakt library. This is because the product was designed for much less-powerful computers than what's typical today. Not saying the SoundStage product qualifies as a bargain treasure find. If you can't get it to work, it's no bargain. But I wouldn't want to routinely dismiss such offers on the presumption that they are dated.
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edrummist
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/13 17:20:38
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For example, I picked up SampleTank last year for some insane price. Many of the samples are unusable. No velocity layers, no scripting, no round-robin variations. Definitely not up to current standards. But guess what? I absolutely love it. There are enough usable patches to justify the low price I paid. Compared to most newer products it's very easy on the CPU. I can run 16 voices with about the same CPU hit as one Kontakt library. This is because the product was designed for much less-powerful computers than what's typical today. Not saying the SoundStage product qualifies as a bargain treasure find. If you can't get it to work, it's no bargain. But I wouldn't want to routinely dismiss such offers on the presumption that they are dated. Not sure if you mean me with the "routinely dismiss such offers because they're dated," but I wanted to address the dated reference to this library. I listened to the Sonnivox demos carefully and found the libraries sound no different than Sonic Implant's soundfont library libraries from the 90s. Listen to the drums, piano, bass, guitar and percussion -- it all sounds very, very low end and non-dynamic, like something you'd expect from a soundfont library demo back in the 90s/very early 00s. As a point of comparison, contrast these with the demos of Sonivox's soundfont libraries actually made in the 90s (their guitar and drum soundfont cds at the site) -- the quality sounds identical to me. Unlike vintage physical gear, I don't find that guitar, bass, drums, percussion or other real world instrument samples hold up today. Velocity layers and round robin alone have meant great leaps in realism. Of course, greater computing processing power has enabled us to use larger sample sizes and many more samples, which also results in greater realism. Add well written scripting, and it's amazing how realistic things can become. Like you, I still use SampleTank, but I primarily limit its use to vintage synths, not complex sampled physical instruments. I'm certain if this Sonnivox VST instead focused on vintage synths, I would be seriously considering picking it up. In any event, I'm pretty confident that Sonnivox is aiming at a much different market than many of us here anyhow (less experienced beginners, but AudioMidi wouldn't seem the most obvious distributor and, beyond the $100 price tag, Sonnivox's website doesn't really make it clear to the avg user either). But like I mentioned earlier, I'd love to Sonivox get back in the game and adding to the mix of better sample libraries on the market (ideally, imo, making libraries for KONTAKT).
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/13 18:30:15
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I probably wouldn't ever pay $100 for an old sample library. That's not true bargain-bin material. I'm talking about $15 for SoundStage or the $50 I paid for SampleTank. OTOH, I'm also suspicious of marked-down newer libraries. You can get burned on newer stuff, too. You and I both know which one I'm talking about.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/13 20:38:47
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If someone is looking for a bargain source of sounds to expand their creative palette on the cheap, Komplete 7 Elements might be a better buy. You can get it here for $49. It's a subset of what's in the full Komplete bundle, so obviously if you already have that you don't need Elements. But if you're just starting to build a tone collection there's a lot in there for $49. Listen to samples here.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/14 00:50:40
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bitflipper If someone is looking for a bargain source of sounds to expand their creative palette on the cheap, Komplete 7 Elements might be a better buy. You can get it here for $49. It's a subset of what's in the full Komplete bundle, so obviously if you already have that you don't need Elements. But if you're just starting to build a tone collection there's a lot in there for $49. Listen to samples here. How do the Komplete 7 Elements compare to the free versions (Kontakt 4 Player, Kore2 Player, Reaktor etc...)? I do want to get Komplete 7, but the price is a bit hefty.......I also do want the full versions of these instruments (without the limitations that the Players have), but don't know what the differences are in the K7 Elements package?
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/14 13:07:36
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From what I gathered on the NI site, Elements is kind of a Whitman's Sampler of synths, samples and effects. The idea is to give you a taste so you'll spring for the full package. There does not appear to be anything in Elements that isn't in the full product. What I didn't see was if there is a discounted upgrade price from Elements to Komplete. If there is, that would make Elements an easy decision, especially at $49.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer FIX from Support
2011/03/14 13:38:17
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Hi All, I got the following e-mail from Sonivox support this morning. Have not tried it yet... Hello, If you're on a PC, you may have noticed an issue with SoundStage. Below is a link to an updated version of SoundStage. This will the problems you had with your original install. http://web.sonivoxmi.com/...oundstage_pcrepair.zip Instructions 1. Download the link and save it to your Desktop 2. Double click the dvisoundstage_pcrepair.zip file 3. Double click SoundStage Fix Config.exe 4. Run the installer: It's going to ask you to locate your samples directory. This is the folder named "Samples" inside the your SoundStage folder where you selected to install. Click the "Browse Button" and navigate to this folder, click on it, and hit Ok. Most commonly this will be in "C:\Program Files\DVI Sound Stage\Samples" Be sure to select the "Samples" folder in your DVI Sound Stage Folder. That's it, you're done. Sorry about the inconvenience. Thank you for choosing SONiVOX The SONiVOX Team
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer FIX from Support
2011/03/14 13:46:20
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Follow up: well the fix worked so yay for that. As for the sound quality the best I can say is that it nailed the Seinfeld slap bass sound...
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/14 14:17:37
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bitflipper From what I gathered on the NI site, Elements is kind of a Whitman's Sampler of synths, samples and effects. The idea is to give you a taste so you'll spring for the full package. There does not appear to be anything in Elements that isn't in the full product. What I didn't see was if there is a discounted upgrade price from Elements to Komplete. If there is, that would make Elements an easy decision, especially at $49. The only thing I see diffeent in the Elements package is that there's 12GB of sounds which the Free players don't have. Of course there are some instruments that aren't available for free. I also was looking for the upgrade path to K7, but none found. I suppose 1 good part of this deal is you get a $60 voucher towards any NI product.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/14 20:35:27
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Mesh bitflipper From what I gathered on the NI site, Elements is kind of a Whitman's Sampler of synths, samples and effects. The idea is to give you a taste so you'll spring for the full package. There does not appear to be anything in Elements that isn't in the full product. What I didn't see was if there is a discounted upgrade price from Elements to Komplete. If there is, that would make Elements an easy decision, especially at $49. The only thing I see diffeent in the Elements package is that there's 12GB of sounds which the Free players don't have. Of course there are some instruments that aren't available for free. I also was looking for the upgrade path to K7, but none found. I suppose 1 good part of this deal is you get a $60 voucher towards any NI product. I own KOMPLETE 7, which is, a heck of a lot more $, but when you look at what someone gets with KOMPLETE 7 Elements for the price and consider you're getting the same quality of samples and a good deal of them -- even the Abbey Road 60s Drums alone are worth $49 imo -- it's an astoundingly good deal and the fact that it comes with a gift certificate for $60 when you pay only $49 is like getting it for free as soon as you buy something else. The quality of the KOMPLETE 7 Elements cannot even be compared to Sonivox or SampleTank. It's a completely different league. And you can use the $60 gift certificate towards the Alicia's Keys piano or another excellent sample library that interests you and some of the libraries they offer (not all), like Alicia Keys, are just superb. http://www.native-instrum...ments/?page=1535 @bitflipper I take it that your reference to "getting burned" refers to your buying Lyrical Distortion sample libraries (guitar library sample developer)? I think many of us learned a lesson with that one.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/14 23:39:20
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I was thinking the same thing: the Abbey Road drums alone are worth 50 bucks, even if nothing else in the bundle turns out to be useful.
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/15 10:38:59
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I was on the fence on this one, but from what's been said above.....I went ahead and got it!! Thanks Bit...and Edrummist!!! Ps. An online chat with Customer Service at this store couldn't confirm if there was a $60 voucher included until they got the box from NI....(I figured if it was on the NI site AND they're getting this from NI, it would make sense to include the voucher......but you never know ) Edit Update: This is a "Pre-Order Sale" which will take 2-3 weeks to deliver. Apparently, some of the retailers jumped the gun and advertised this deal a bit too soon. Still worth the wait IMO....
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/15 15:10:15
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I ordered the Komplete 7 Elements as well. Seems like a really good deal. Jim
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/16 02:24:36
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Thanks guys for the heads up on this brilliant piece from NI. I'm definitely getting this baby! I was watching a demo on YouTube > Here < the strings and brass are top-notch, and I'm sure the abby road drums alone are worth the price. Seriously this has got to be the best value VI Plugin player out there especially once you factor in the additional discount. That said: I think K7Elements is the 'real' no brainer deal of the century ;-) Although the editing appears a bit limited yet its actually not such a bad thing because its more simplified, no fussing about. Thereby perfect as the main-go-to plugin for initial composing. I guess it has the basics covered. Now all I need to know is; how many midi-parts (multi) can it handle, 16 to 32 parts along with outs? (even if there are limits in this regard, it's still great value)! Again, thanks for the heads up :-)
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/16 13:56:40
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Jimbo21 I ordered the Komplete 7 Elements as well. Seems like a really good deal. Jim The Price is back to $99 today
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Re:Sonivox Soundstage no-brainer
2011/03/26 21:03:47
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