amiller
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X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
So, I've got X1 installed and I've been tinkering around with Pro Channel. I also have Ozone 4 installed in my 8.5.3 instance and I really love it. I know, Ozone 4 is a mastering tool but I've been looking at Alloy as a channel plugin.
For those of you that have Alloy how does it compare to Pro Channel? Which one do you think you'll end up using the most?
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 12:24:14
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I have only Pro Channel, but stick with Alloy until Cakewalk cleans up the UI bugs in Pro Channel. I've lost more than one train of thought thanks to them.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 12:47:31
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I have only Pro Channel, but stick with Alloy until Cakewalk cleans up the UI bugs in Pro Channel. I've lost more than one train of thought thanks to them.
Well, I don't actually have Alloy yet...that's why I asked the question.  Yeah, I know that Cake needs to clean up the Pro Channel bugs but I'm curious what you guys think about the differences sans bugs.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 13:22:25
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I would think of them as complimentary. To me Alloy is a track version of Ozone. PC is very different.
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amiller
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 14:30:14
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John
I would think of them as complimentary. To me Alloy is a track version of Ozone. PC is very different.
How so? Alloy is per track as you say but PC is also per track. How do see the differences?
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 14:38:50
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Alloy is more by far then PC in what it has. As I say its like Ozone. PC has compression EQ and tube saturation. Alloy has EQ an exciter and transaint control and dynamics and a de-esser and a limiter. How could they be the same?
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 15:08:21
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Alloy is great, and it has many more tools than PC. Also, a big difference is that the PC is an emulation of two classic compressors, and it has a bit of a "sound". I find the compressor in Alloy to be very nice, but very clean.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 15:24:18
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John
Alloy is more by far then PC in what it has. As I say its like Ozone. PC has compression EQ and tube saturation. Alloy has EQ an exciter and transaint control and dynamics and a de-esser and a limiter. How could they be the same?
Sorry, I wasn't clear in my response. I know they are a lot different, however, they are both "aimed" as the same purpose...per track processing. So my question is, which do folks prefer for track processing...Alloy or PC?
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 21:15:53
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There's no question. If you only have Alloy and ProChannel and you want to use Tube Saturation you have to use ProChannel.
On the other hand if you want to use a de-esser then its Alloy all the way.
The reality is you may indeed want to use both at the same time. Amplitube is also aimed at per track processing but it isn't anything like either Alloy or ProChannel though Amplitube does compression and many other types of signal processing.
Your question really can't be answered as it's like saying they are both plugins which of course they are.
I have many plugins for the reason that sometimes you want just one thing that another can't offer.
Alloy and ProChannel each do things the other can't do.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 21:38:39
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amiller
John
Alloy is more by far then PC in what it has. As I say its like Ozone. PC has compression EQ and tube saturation. Alloy has EQ an exciter and transaint control and dynamics and a de-esser and a limiter. How could they be the same?
Sorry, I wasn't clear in my response. I know they are a lot different, however, they are both "aimed" as the same purpose...per track processing. So my question is, which do folks prefer for track processing...Alloy or PC?
I haven't fooled enough with PC. I have had alloy since it came out. I love it. I think mudgel is right. Without even hearing the PC, if I had to choose I would choose alloy only because it does much more, I know what it does already and I have only touched the surface of it.. The TL64 has tube saturation. I am hoping I will find as mudgel predicts-use both. Not much help sorry. But alloy is a fabulous tool. Ozone and Alloy to me were money well spent.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 21:59:01
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Alloy looks totally frickin' rad, so by and large I'd go with it over anything native. But check it's CPU appetite.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 22:04:13
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I dont place a lotta value on plugins vs real hardware, vintage means you auctualy have box !! vintage U-47 plugin.. right !!
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 23:12:19
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...wicked
Alloy looks totally frickin' rad, so by and large I'd go with it over anything native. But check it's CPU appetite.
Wicked-Alloy hardly tickles the meters :-) Being able to use an instance per track was part of the thinking behind it.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/12 23:14:49
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StarTekh
I dont place a lotta value on plugins vs real hardware, vintage means you auctualy have box !! vintage U-47 plugin.. right !!
I believe the idea is they try to capture the inner workings of the hardware-not just CW, most of the plugs that have hw counterparts. AS good? Probably notfor the most part. But not all of us can afford the hi end hw-me anyway
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 08:52:36
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Just to confuse the issue here is my new favorite plugin the Nomad Factory Studio Channel SC 226 
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 12:12:32
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To my ears, Alloy is fanstastic on guitar tracks, while ProC has warmth I can`t dial in with Alloy. They are different beasts, but have their use. I don`t see much in the CPU usage meters no matter how many channels Alloy occupies, I`m still on 8.5.3 for now, So until X1 is ironed out, I`m waiting to get into ProC. I think I agree with others here, Alloy compliments ProC. Worth every penny I paid for it.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 13:43:15
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StarTekh
I dont place a lotta value on plugins vs real hardware, vintage means you auctualy have box !! vintage U-47 plugin.. right !!
I believe the idea is they try to capture the inner workings of the hardware-not just CW, most of the plugs that have hw counterparts. AS good? Probably notfor the most part.
But not all of us can afford the hi end hw-me anyway
let there be no missunderstanding: its software with a resale value of $0.00 when you retire..jon
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 13:43:20
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...There's no question. If you only have Alloy and ProChannel and you want to use Tube Saturation you have to use ProChannel...
Just to be clear, Alloy does have tube saturation also. It's the Exciter module: "Exciter Alloy's Exciter features new Harmonic Scaling technology that lets you add gentle saturation to your tracks by emulating the sounds of tube pre-amps, tape, and other hardware devices in a unique new way. It's perfect for adding subtle character to everything from vocals to strings to drums. - Blend between different Harmonic profiles including Tube, Tape, Transistor and more with an XY pad
- Switch to Multiband mode to apply color to different frequency ranges independently
- Unique spectrum meter shows you which frequencies are being affected by the Exciter
- Integrated stereo width control allows you to narrow or widen different frequency band"
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 13:53:56
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amiller thanks : wana stack that against a 1176 a plutec and...
focousrite blue shift: fair enough !! its all about sound.. no box no
sound !!
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amiller
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 14:20:13
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StarTekh
amiller thanks : wana stack that against a 1176 a plutec and...
focousrite blue shift: fair enough !! its all about sound.. no box no
sound !!
Well, you might be exactly right about that, however, that has NOTHING to do with this thread. This thread is a comparison between ProChannel and Alloy. If you want to discuss hardware vs. software...may I suggest you start a thread specific to that.
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Re:X1 Pro Channel vs Alloy?
2011/03/13 14:40:57
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StarTekh
stratman70
StarTekh
I dont place a lotta value on plugins vs real hardware, vintage means you auctualy have box !! vintage U-47 plugin.. right !!
I believe the idea is they try to capture the inner workings of the hardware-not just CW, most of the plugs that have hw counterparts. AS good? Probably notfor the most part.
But not all of us can afford the hi end hw-me anyway
let there be no missunderstanding: its software with a
resale value of $0.00 when you retire..jon
never mind-off this topic
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