Recording input volume extremely low

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2011/03/14 12:27:02 (permalink)

Recording input volume extremely low

Hi, though I'm not necessarily a newbie to Sonar, I feel like it sometimes.  Especially with the new X1 interface.  However, my question is pretty basic and seems like it should be simple but I'm stumped!!
 
dedicated DAW running Win7, 64-bit; simple vocal mic into a PreSonus Firebox, then into DAW using firewire.  Firebox input channel knob max. volume, Firebox main volume max.  Sonar X1 default settings with sliders at -0-  Even set 48v phantom on and used Firebox control panel to add 10db to the input.  With all that I still have to practically shout into the mic with it practically inside my mouth to get even a modest recording volume??
 
Can't figure out what is throttling down my volume since it's such a minimal and simple signal flow - mic to digital interface to DAW.  Nothing fancy, yet the audio signal barely gets to -12 with everything maxed and me yelling.
 
Any ideas on what to look for would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks,    Jerry
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    jhughs
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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/14 21:33:21 (permalink)
    First, are you using a condenser mic that needs phantom power?  If not, I've heard you can damage the mic.

    Otherwise, here are some educated guesses:

    Do you have the sample rate set the same on the Firebox as Sonar?

    Is there a pad switch on the mic (like -10dB)?

    Did you go into the Presonus mixer and select the appropriate mic input?  (I've done that before switching between instrument input and mic... why isn't this thing working?)

    Otherwise, try to localize the problem if possible and take another run at it here.



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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/15 04:14:52 (permalink)
    One of the key factors remains unknown to us: What is the mic?

    Secondly: I don't remember what kind of settings the W7 mixer has. Check that just in case...

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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/19 09:54:31 (permalink)
    jhughs


    First, are you using a condenser mic that needs phantom power?  If not, I've heard you can damage the mic.

    Otherwise, here are some educated guesses:

    Do you have the sample rate set the same on the Firebox as Sonar?

    Is there a pad switch on the mic (like -10dB)?

    Did you go into the Presonus mixer and select the appropriate mic input?  (I've done that before switching between instrument input and mic... why isn't this thing working?)

    Otherwise, try to localize the problem if possible and take another run at it here.
     
    +1-  Do you have another mic and are cables all good? Is this the only thing doing this when you record on an Acoustic Track?




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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/22 12:25:42 (permalink)
    Hey folks, sorry for the delay in responding.  I really appreciate the feedback.  Here’s a little more info addressing your comments…
    Jhughs – the mic is an AKG D4400, similar to Shure SM-57
                      I verified sample rates are same in Sonar and Firebox
                      No pad switch on mic
                      In Presonus mixer, all seems ok – default settings has all inputs selected and set to -0- (full)
     
    KRantaaho –
    Mic is AKG D4400;  I’ve looked at Control Panel / Sounds, but if there is another place to check Win7 mixer settings, I’m open to suggestions.
     
    Digi2ns –
                     Good point!  Today I’ll try other mic’s and cables, attempting to isolate the issue.
     
    To all – last week I connected my laptop with Sonar 8.5.3 to a Zoom H4n (used as audio interface).  Experimented a little and found that even with Zoom recording volume set to 5 (of 100), when I spoke into the mics, the audio signal in Sonar was strong and full, even close to clipping if I spoke loudly.  Also a Win7 O/S.  I guess the benefit of that exercise for me was to remind myself, I actually do know how to use the products.  So, now on troubleshooting 101, exchanging components one at a time to see what, if anything, makes the difference – first, mic, then cable, then audio interface, etc…
     
    I really appreciate your comments and if someone has any further idea, feel free to share.
     
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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/22 14:52:30 (permalink)
    hmmmm, really getting frustrating now...I tried a different dynamic mic, different cable, different Firebox input - same results.  With Firebox mic gain (physical) set to 75% and speaking loudly 2 inches from mic, the highest signal strength is (-)30db.  Barely registers visibly in the audio track clip.  While recording I also had the Firebox "mixer" open and played with settings on-the-fly.  No  settings changes (and I pushed every button and moved every slider) made any difference in the audio input showing up in Sonar telling me the Firebox mixer is not in the signal chain.   Thanks again for any help!!
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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/22 20:55:39 (permalink)
    Well, in case anyone's following this thread - here's the results of my testing today... used my Zoom H4n as audio interface replacing the Firebox.  All else the same; same mic, cable, computer, software (Sonar), Win7 settings, everything except used Zoom in interface mode.  The zoom has nice recording gain feature using rocker button. You can set the recording input volume anywhere between 1 and 100.  Even at 1, a signal can come through and at 3-4, my audio signature in the Sonar audio clip was larger than the maximum I'm getting through the Firebox.  At volume = 50, I can cause clipping just speaking into the mic at 1-2 inches away.  Could at best get a -20somethingDB signal by eating the mic with the Firebox.  Really at a loss to understand what's going on and keeping me from getting a robust signal using the Presonus device.  I've submitted a tech support request from PreSonus - don't know if they'll be able to help??  Thanks again....jg
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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/22 22:18:18 (permalink)
    Well it sounds like your on the right track. All eliminated outside of the Firebox or communication between the two. Atleast you can record with the other interface until you get it sorted out?.


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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/29 21:30:40 (permalink)
    jbellman - any luck?

    Sorry I've been away, was hoping you'd having this solved.  You've done a good job ruling stuff out, which is progress (even if frustrating).

    First, you shouldn't need phantom power for that mic.

    Can you see levels in the Presonus mixer?

    In Sonar, when you select the input for the track, are you able to see and select Mic1, Mic2, Line3 or Line4? 



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    Re:Recording input volume extremely low 2011/03/30 15:38:32 (permalink)
    this has very little to do with you and everything to do with the presonus audiobox..the same one i put iun a box and brought back about 4 months ago..theres a problem with that product where i cant even believe they can sell it..it clips out when on 0 db.they told me to solve this issue i should purchase a di box..dont do it..all it did for me when i borrowed one was lower my singnal from my guitar to the box.the real problem lies inbetween the box and the computer.so dont think plugging into anything will remedy your issue.im still having the same problem with a different interface but my prob is i cant get it load enough to drive my pre amps...the thing that got me is when i brought it back to g.c. the guy who sold it to me said yea..i know alot of customers have complained it clips out..i said why didnt you tell me that...he just looked dumb-founded

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