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Pre-Post Fader Send issue
Wondering if anyone can confirm this - and if anyone has any ideas why it happens or is it a bug?
Create a SEND from a track (in my case, it was my kick track being sent to a compressor on a bus).
Now make sure you see the send in this audio track in the Inspector. You should also see the downstream bus as normal.
Now click on the "POST" button (to make it PRE).
ON my system, the downstream bus disaappears leaving only the space for the area the downstream bus would normally be.
Toggling the POST button does not get it back.
Only moving to another track and then back does the downstream bus reappear.
This sure seems like a bug to me. If not, what's the point ?
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:15:28
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Things fly off fast here, so selfish bumpety bump.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:26:34
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I just tried it without any issues. Sorry.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:29:32
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Billy,
I've noticed you've posted quite a bit experiencing some weird issues (white screen, etc.). Sorry man, but I'm staring to think something's up with your setup and X1. Perhaps an installation issue, drivers not liking each other, some resource sharing somewhere along your chain? I don't know, just trying to help. Good luck!!!!
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:33:38
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Here is what I am seeing. After I create the send, I see the track and the downstream buss. Now if I click on the plus sign above the on off button in the inspector, the downstream disappears and I see the master buss. The same thing occurs if I clik in the FX bin in the inspector. The downstream buss and master buss will appear in rotation depending on whether I click the + sign or in the fx bin. That's a bug, not a show stopper but a bug.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:34:52
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Middleman
Here is what I am seeing. After I create the send, I see the track and the downstream buss. Now if I click on the plus sign above the on off button in the inspector, the downstream disappears and I see the master buss. The same thing occurs if I clik in the FX bin in the inspector. The downstream buss and master buss will appear in rotation depending on whether I click the + sign or in the fx bin. That's a bug, not a show stopper but a bug.
Phil, That's a different issue. If you click on the "POST" button itself, does the downstream bus disappear?
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:38:51
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Billy,
I've noticed you've posted quite a bit experiencing some weird issues (white screen, etc.). Sorry man, but I'm staring to think something's up with your setup and X1. Perhaps an installation issue, drivers not liking each other, some resource sharing somewhere along your chain? I don't know, just trying to help. Good luck!!!!
Thanks for your feedback. I would never discount some issue with the installation, so yes that's a possibility. However, if one looks at the very very long list of bug fixes, it's hard not to notice there were a LOT of issues that could affect different users different ways. There's no gaurantee all the bugs were fixed or that new ones haven't crept in. The issues I'm seeing so far are limited. 2 were due to a corrupt project template (started in X1, mind you). Another was a problem with a keybind not being honored which turned out to be fixable as well. So when you say I'm experiencing quite a bit of issues, I'm not sure I agree. I am not thrilled about some things in the design, but that's a whole different story ;) Just to be clear -- you're saying that if you follow my recipe in my first post that your downstream bus remains visible even after you toggle the POST button on the track send?
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:39:23
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Middle,
I don't understand.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:41:30
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Sorry Billy, not seeing it here either.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:42:00
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codamedia
Sorry Billy, not seeing it here either.
Hmm, strange. It's not a showstopper, but strange. I'll do a video ;)
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:42:57
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Billy,
I've noticed you've posted quite a bit experiencing some weird issues (white screen, etc.). Sorry man, but I'm staring to think something's up with your setup and X1. Perhaps an installation issue, drivers not liking each other, some resource sharing somewhere along your chain? I don't know, just trying to help. Good luck!!!!
Thanks for your feedback.
I would never discount some issue with the installation, so yes that's a possibility.
However, if one looks at the very very long list of bug fixes, it's hard not to notice there were a LOT of issues that could affect different users different ways. There's no gaurantee all the bugs were fixed or that new ones haven't crept in.
The issues I'm seeing so far are limited. 2 were due to a corrupt project template (started in X1, mind you). Another was a problem with a keybind not being honored which turned out to be fixable as well.
So when you say I'm experiencing quite a bit of issues, I'm not sure I agree. I am not thrilled about some things in the design, but that's a whole different story ;)
Just to be clear -- you're saying that if you follow my recipe in my first post that your downstream bus remains visible even after you toggle the POST button on the track send?
Yes. It works for me. Sorry if I made an assumption about you having a lot of issues. Been reading lots of posts lately and perhaps mistook seeing some of your posts (you've been quite active lately  ) with you having issues, but I do remember reading your white space post.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:43:20
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I wonder if it's the routing.
The example I gave of the kick track going to a bus compressor -- there's more to it.
It's being sent to the side-chain of the PC bus compressor on the master bus.
I'm taking a break and will experiment more later.
Thanks for the feedback everyone.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:44:32
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Yes. It works for me. Sorry if I made an assumption about you having a lot of issues. Been reading lots of posts lately and perhaps mistook seeing some of your posts (you've been quite active lately ) with you having issues, but I do remember reading your white space post. \ Yes I'm always a bit active ;) The white space is not new nor just something I experience. Others have too.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:45:49
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ba_midi
I wonder if it's the routing.
The example I gave of the kick track going to a bus compressor -- there's more to it.
It's being sent to the side-chain of the PC bus compressor on the master bus.
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I thought about that, but then got sidetracked trying to replicate your problem.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:49:10
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there's more to it. It's being sent to the side-chain of the PC bus compressor on the master bus.
That changes things  There is no downside buss to a side chain, that is why it goes blank. It likely isn't just the POST button, as soon as you click anywhere in the "Send Area" (even the level or pan) it will activate the buss it is connected to. In this case - a side chain, which is not actually a buss. That's why it goes blank. If you sent to a real buss, it would bring up that buss automatically. I like this feature as the corresponding buss you are sending to comes up automatically as you work your way through the sends.
post edited by codamedia - 2011/03/22 19:53:35
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:52:40
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codamedia
there's more to it. It's being sent to the side-chain of the PC bus compressor on the master bus.
That changes things
There is no downside buss to a side chain, that is why it goes blank. It likely isn't just the POST button, as soon as you click anywhere in the "Send Area" (even the level or pan) it will activate (to the right) what it is connected to. In this case - a side chain, which is not actually a buss.
I get this behaviour to when heading to a side chain. No need to change tracks to get the track buss back. Simply click anywhere in the strip that is not a SEND and it should come back.
Hmm, maybe you're right - in which case it would answer the question if it's a bug or not. But I shut down for a break, so I'll double check all this when I boot back up later. Thanks Coda.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 19:54:31
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Billy,
I edited my answer a little to make it clearer. You may want to re-read when you get back.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 20:05:02
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Middleman
Here is what I am seeing. After I create the send, I see the track and the downstream buss. Now if I click on the plus sign above the on off button in the inspector, the downstream disappears and I see the master buss. The same thing occurs if I clik in the FX bin in the inspector. The downstream buss and master buss will appear in rotation depending on whether I click the + sign or in the fx bin. That's a bug, not a show stopper but a bug.
Phil,
That's a different issue. If you click on the "POST" button itself, does the downstream bus disappear?
In the track itself, no. But in the inspector, and it has nothing to do with the + sign or post button I just discovered, if you click anywhere in the button area of the send controls (inspector strip) the downstream disappears and the master appears. If you then click in either the FX bin area or down below in the fader and button area ( also in the inspector) the downstream reappears. Maybe not the same bug as yours but similar.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 20:53:00
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Middleman: Unless I misunderstand what you are saying (very possible), this is a feature - not a bug. You have access to any downstream buss from your inspector strip. If you click within an active send, that downstream buss appears. When you click within the track (ie: fader, pan area, etc...), the tracks downstream buss appears. If you have 10 sends, clicking on each one will open each downstream buss accordingly. For example, if I have a Reverb Buss and a delay buss, I have direct access to those two buss' (and effects themselves) without leaving a single track inspector. I find that really fast and convenient. But, maybe I don't understand what you are saying, and if so - I apologize for jumping in
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 20:58:09
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Middleman: Unless I misunderstand what you are saying (very possible), this is a feature - not a bug.
But, maybe I don't understand what you are saying, and if so - I apologize for jumping in
I agree coda!
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 21:27:31
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Codemedia & pinguinotuerto (sounds like Russian highwire act) , you guys are right. It just seems a little weird to see the buss changing but it does make sense. I thought I was getting similar results as Billy. Sorry Billy. It appears as if what I am experiencing is the normal behavior and that when clicking in the send area, the send downstream appears but if you clik in another part of the inspector, that is pointing to the master buss, that downstream image should appear. Sorry guys. Needed to eat, low blood sugar.
So Billy, not seeing that behavior.
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 22:59:00
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Middleman
Codemedia & pinguinotuerto (sounds like Russian highwire act) , you guys are right. It just seems a little weird to see the buss changing but it does make sense. I thought I was getting similar results as Billy. Sorry Billy. It appears as if what I am experiencing is the normal behavior and that when clicking in the send area, the send downstream appears but if you clik in another part of the inspector, that is pointing to the master buss, that downstream image should appear. Sorry guys. Needed to eat, low blood sugar.
So Billy, not seeing that behavior.
Phil, It seems Coda hit it on the nail... Because I was routing the send of the track to a side chain on the master bus comp, this is "normal" behavior. Coda explains it quite nicely, actually. I'm not sure I agree with the design concept, but at least it's not a bug and knowing how it is working just means I can ignore it (since it actually annoys me lol). I don't see a reason to "empty" to empty that space and show nothing just because I'm sidechaining a signal, but c'est la sh vie ;)
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 23:21:55
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I agree Billy - if routing to a side chain it should just retain the master bus. But I do like the buss changes when there is really somewhere to go
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Re:Pre-Post Fader Send issue
2011/03/22 23:42:11
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codamedia
I agree Billy - if routing to a side chain it should just retain the master bus. But I do like the buss changes when there is really somewhere to go
I agree -- that bus changes DO makes sense, and I thought that was a good feature. This is also why the "empty" space caught me off guard. Why have that space and not use it? Like I said .. oh well, and not a show stopper at least ;)
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