recordings getting pushed ahead?

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2011/03/24 23:01:31 (permalink)

recordings getting pushed ahead?

hey all im just working on a clients job and all my recordings seem to be getting pushed forward a 32nd of a beat is there a setting that changed when i upgraded to x1b?

or do i just suck?


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 00:18:08 (permalink)
    Looks like you have to create a loopback, record some audio to a track, and manually adjust the recording offset latency for your audio interface.

    Some users here use CEntrance ASIO Latency Test Utility for help testing and correcting audio recording latency. You can download that utility and read instructions for it at the following link: http://www.centrance.com/products/ltu/
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/03/25 00:19:23


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 00:21:52 (permalink)
    my "total roundtrip" latency is 10.4 msec. definately not the problem

    my buffer size is set at 128 and i have never had this happen until the upgrade.


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 00:59:02 (permalink)
    I'm not speaking of total reported round trip latency, I'm trying to tell you about manual off set adjusting for recording latency.

    You can take the advice or leave it. I was merely attempting to help you out.


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 01:33:05 (permalink)

    my recordings seem to be getting pushed forward a 32nd of a beat



    Assuming you actually mean a 32nd of a whole-note, and the error is really that big (on the order of 60-75ms at 125-100 BPM), I think you're looking at more than a latency compensation error that you would compensate with a manual offset. But Thomas' advice to check your actual round-trip using CEntrance is still a good idea just to get another point of reference.


    Aside from that, All I can think is there's something wrong with the timing of your click, making everyone play ahead/behind the audio clock. Are you using SONAR's audio metronome?


    If by "forward" you mean later in the timeline, I could imagine that happening if the click reference is a MIDI track driving an onboard soundcard's wavetable synth (with notoriously high response latency). Otherwise, I don't know.








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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 01:50:42 (permalink)
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    Looks like you have to create a loopback, record some audio to a track, and manually adjust the recording offset latency for your audio interface.

    Some users here use CEntrance ASIO Latency Test Utility for help testing and correcting audio recording latency. You can download that utility and read instructions for it at the following link: http://www.centrance.com/products/ltu/


    tom is that download free???its a good tool to have

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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 01:53:12 (permalink)
    to the op..have you tried the nudge option uder process??..did you do any external midi synching??if you did and its off..use the nudge left 1..or nudge right 1..or 2..try it till its right.see if that works.

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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 02:30:27 (permalink)
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    I'm not speaking of total reported round trip latency, I'm trying to tell you about manual off set adjusting for recording latency.

    You can take the advice or leave it. I was merely attempting to help you out.


    PMFJI. And perhaps to OP just did not understand you. I don't reckon his reply should make you all huffy. I was just reading the thread and was quite jarred by your post.

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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 11:07:09 (permalink)
    heh. yeah he did get a little crabby for some reason.

    downloading the app. going for a coffee. when i get back ill test it out.

    to answer a few questions. when i mean "pushed forward" i mean umm back in time? sorry. for example if i record something (i use audio metronome) it seems to loose some MS from the start of the file.. so its like im playing before the beat... when im not... I know the metronome is playing correctly because when i play it overtop after recording it is on beat with sonar..

    AH I may have found the problem. ill check when i get back.. but for some reason my sync was set on "asio4all" and the "reported" latency was 184 (which seems aobut the right amount of time that i was talking about).  I've switched it to motu asio and restarted... we'll see if that helps...


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 11:17:02 (permalink)
    for some reason my sync was set on "asio4all"

     
    You mean your Timing Master for recording (and/or playback)? Yeah, that would do it. And I'm thinking that might have happened if you fired up SONAR with the MOTU disconnected after traveling to the customer's site.
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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 11:51:31 (permalink)
    ok wierd problem... i cant seem to select MOTU Audio ASIO in "record latency adjustment"

    so my latency compensation is being triggered by ASIO 4 ALL!

    what the heck?


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 11:55:27 (permalink)
    no my timing masters (recording and playback) are both set to motu asio audio

    what im talking about is

    PREFERENCES> AUDIO> SYNCING AND CACHING> "Record Latency Adjustment" > device:

    cannot be changed from ASIO4ALL to Motu ASIO!

    this only just happened with the new update...

    um... no this is all in house work. (if you mean i was recording off site) I haven't disconnected my motu for a long while now. (at least not while the computer is running.


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 12:30:37 (permalink)
     
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    Nevermind just read your last post.
    post edited by thomasabarnes - 2011/03/25 12:33:48


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 12:34:27 (permalink)
    well. i just uninstalled asio4all (which has forced motu asio audio to the default) so i'm going to try recording a quickie and we'll see if that does it.\

    also i find it kind of stupid how the latency compensation nubmer boxes have no unit of measurement...

    i think it's samples not MS

    post edited by elijahlucian - 2011/03/25 12:35:41


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 12:40:42 (permalink)
    Roger.

    In that section PREFERENCES> AUDIO> SYNCING AND CACHING> "Record Latency Adjustment" > device, you can still change the Manual Offset by selecting the device from the dropdown menu when there's more than one device listed there.

    The changes will take, if you make changes and hit Apply and OK, but another device might be showing there by default when you return to that section. You can see the changes did take place by re-selecting the device from the dropdown menu.


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    Re:recordings getting pushed ahead? 2011/03/25 12:53:39 (permalink)
    actually since uninstalling the asio4all. (i just did a test recording) all is well.

    that must have been it. I'll try a bit more and confirm before the day is up


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