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When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
Well, so I was going along for hours in X1B doing mostly fine (meaning it's ok). Then out of the blue - it went into suspended animation  Meaning - it seem to go into a non-responsive mode and there was nothing I could do about it other than let it end task and lose the work I had done up until the last save. I clicked in the timeline, dragged for a few bars (while playing back) and then set the loop points via hot key. That's when it happened. I had done this very same procedure many times in this project tonight as I work on sections. This is why I understand that other thread about "confidence" (or lack therof) in X1B. This should teach to me save every other second ... sheesh! To its credit somewhat, at least I didn't crash tonight at all, which is some good news. But I must say X1B is not earning my confidence yet either.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
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man i feel for you billy and god im sorry..i just dont understand..i hear people say things just like this..its a hasstle i know..but i dint really know..i would be a fool to sit here and say i know how you feel man"..cause i dont..im sorry...this is strange behavior that i havent seen at all.i do consider myself lucky i guess..hope im not rubbing in your face ..not my intentions..what my intentions are is to jst let you know im sorry man..i really am..it must be a pain having to start up all over again..and i dont know about you but my projects load slow..so by the time your set up again the creative flow has taken a backseat a bit..i do hope things get better for you.
if theres anything you need to confirm.i will be the fisrt to try and reply.other than that i wish i could do more.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/24 23:31:31
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Yep. Seen that here too. It does make you save every other note practically... The last time it froze it was like that for 15 minutes...  
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/24 23:33:03
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chuckebaby
man i feel for you billy and god im sorry..i just dont understand..i hear people say things just like this..its a hasstle i know..but i dint really know..i would be a fool to sit here and say i know how you feel man"..cause i dont..im sorry...this is strange behavior that i havent seen at all.i do consider myself lucky i guess..hope im not rubbing in your face ..not my intentions..what my intentions are is to jst let you know im sorry man..i really am..it must be a pain having to start up all over again..and i dont know about you but my projects load slow..so by the time your set up again the creative flow has taken a backseat a bit..i do hope things get better for you.
if theres anything you need to confirm.i will be the fisrt to try and reply.other than that i wish i could do more.
Charlie, it's nice of you to express your concern. The thing that gets me most is how these things can just stop a creative process dead in its tracks when it happens. As I've said recently, I did almost 2 weeks on non-stop projects in 8.5.3 including orchestral (big track count, plugins, etc) to hip hop (lots of drum and effects) to pop, etc. Not ONE single glitch for 2 weeks of intense work. Nothing beats a good flow. So this project is completely started in X1B - and as I said, it was moving along ok (there are things I still just don't like about it, but can work with). There have been some 'bumps' in the road, so to speak, but when things happen so randomly for no rhyme or reason, it is more than frustrating. It is infuriating. I've been putting in some heavy hours and I need my DAW to work WITH me not against me. This project is not complex. No esoteric plugins -- actually I AM using a lot of the Pro Channel to dig into it and see what it has to offer. There really is nothing going on in the tracks to cause a random freak-out like this. So what can I say. I don't really know. [breathe].
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/24 23:50:23
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trimph1
Yep.
Seen that here too.
It does make you save every other note practically...
The last time it froze it was like that for 15 minutes...
I've learned not to wait that long. I can tell when it's just not gonna come back alive and just take my licks, so to speak. It's rough.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 00:53:06
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How difficult is it to hit "cntrl S"? Duhhhh!
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 00:55:15
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How difficult is it to hit "cntrl S"? Duhhhh!
Obviously you don't get the point. But, in spite of that ... one wants to develop a certain confidence and FLOW when working hard on a track. Also - hitting SAVE often can be a problem too. Sometimes you're just "trying" something out and don't want to stop to SAVE YET -- and saving to a "new version" still would be a drawback in that case. It steals the flow. And takes yet more time. So no - it's not difficult to hit CTRL S. I, in fact, do it often. But you didn't get the point as I said. DUHHHH !!!
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 01:27:36
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 01:29:00
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Bmack
How difficult is it to hit "cntrl S"? Duhhhh!
Did you actually read the OP?
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 01:34:34
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Bmack
How difficult is it to hit "cntrl S"? Duhhhh!
Obviously a lot easier than writing stable software. And just a little bit harder than making uncalled for comments like yours.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 01:38:46
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i wouldnt even give the satisfaction to people like that billy..just ignore them kind..anyway..i admire you making youe loops..its something ive been wanting to do very much lately..i started a small pool of my own loops..even my ditorted guitar hooks..when i got no song for them they pile up and then i piece them toghter to make something interesting.
if you can get ove the bump billy you may even like this x1.
ill be honest when i loaded it up the first time..i didnt even try it..i instantly powered it down and went back 8/5/3..lol..but then i started getting interested cause all i was reading on here was how bad this thing was..i wanted so bad to see it fail so i could come in here and have something to talk about(cause i was 3 short of 10 posts..the new guy)cause thats all everyone talked about.i had nothing to talk about..i know...im lame..but im honest..but i couldnt..it just did what i wanted..i will say this though..it took me awhile to warm up to it..things were different..were are the little buttons i kept thinking..now having a problem is one thing..but not liking the over all look is another..i cant complain cause i dont like the look...if this is the direction that cake is going..then i can voice my opinion all i want..i just dont think they will fall back to a previous versions style to please us.i think they might be aiming towards the new generation and trying to bring in younger kids..im middle aged.so thats not me theyre trying to please..lol..but once i did get used to it.i learned to like it..i know its hard to learn to like something that doesnt work all the time.and the frustration turn to.."this is making me sick"..but who knows maybe once you get used to some of the work arounds and hopefully gain some stability you will get back to rolling again..i have no answer why 8/5/3 works for you so good and not this..i have heard others say the same...i did nt have that loaded on this comp. so maybe thats where it worked out for me.good luck..looking forward to hearing some new stuff on x1 of yours
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 01:55:13
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chuckebaby
i wouldnt even give the satisfaction to people like that billy..just ignore them kind..anyway..i admire you making youe loops..its something ive been wanting to do very much lately..i started a small pool of my own loops..even my ditorted guitar hooks..when i got no song for them they pile up and then i piece them toghter to make something interesting.
if you can get ove the bump billy you may even like this x1.
ill be honest when i loaded it up the first time..i didnt even try it..i instantly powered it down and went back 8/5/3..lol..but then i started getting interested cause all i was reading on here was how bad this thing was..i wanted so bad to see it fail so i could come in here and have something to talk about(cause i was 3 short of 10 posts..the new guy)cause thats all everyone talked about.i had nothing to talk about..i know...im lame..but im honest..but i couldnt..it just did what i wanted..i will say this though..it took me awhile to warm up to it..things were different..were are the little buttons i kept thinking..now having a problem is one thing..but not liking the over all look is another..i cant complain cause i dont like the look...if this is the direction that cake is going..then i can voice my opinion all i want..i just dont think they will fall back to a previous versions style to please us.i think they might be aiming towards the new generation and trying to bring in younger kids..im middle aged.so thats not me theyre trying to please..lol..but once i did get used to it.i learned to like it..i know its hard to learn to like something that doesnt work all the time.and the frustration turn to.."this is making me sick"..but who knows maybe once you get used to some of the work arounds and hopefully gain some stability you will get back to rolling again..i have no answer why 8/5/3 works for you so good and not this..i have heard others say the same...i did nt have that loaded on this comp. so maybe thats where it worked out for me.good luck..looking forward to hearing some new stuff on x1 of yours
Charlie, As for Bmack's reply -- I found it more inane than offsensive ;) As for X1 ... for me it's not about warming up to something. I've taken the time learn 3 different DAWs (other than Sonar) in the last 2 years (2 of those DAW within the last year, 1 of them within the last few months). I can do complete projects (and have) in all of them. Including lots of trick sktuff (fx, audio tricks, etc). So I adapt easily. I'm an avid manual reader. My friends kid me about that all the time. The point being - it's fairly easy for me to learn something new and warm up to it. It's not about comfort zones for me. It's about TOOLS. I just find X1 to slow me down in a number of areas ... the PRV is one example (I won't go into detail yet). Another is how we can't get to the track fader if the Pro Channel tab is showing (in track view). So if you want to make fine adjustments after the PC, you have to click on the PC Tab to untab it, then make your fader adjustment. Back and forth, back and forth. Yes I know there are some workarounds (there almost always are); not all are useful however. I don't like the new console at all ... I even stopped keeping it on my 2nd monitor in my main screenset (it's in my screenset 2 however). The font sizes in the Synth Rack take up way too much space. The synth rack being "attached' to the browser bothers me. Of course some of the "still there" bugs don't help either. I could go on ... but I won't ;) Do I like some of the things in X1? SURE ..that's another thing that bothers me lol. Because I DO like SOME of the new things/features. So it's kind of a weird situation -- catch 22. But regardless, I can use it and work through the annoyances if I have to. I'm not sure I'm going to stick with it, to be honest. I don't know yet. I WILL give it more time.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 02:36:41
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Hmmm...this does not bode well coming from the likes of a power user like Mr. Arnell himself. Although I have X1b installed, I haven't put in any serious time into it for a couple of reasons...#1 being sticking with ol'familiar 8.5.3 (although it's not as pretty as X1) I don't stare at screen much when I'm recording. #2 being well, the devil I know vs. the one that I don't. So far, reading from what others have posted about the stability of some of the more basic DAW functions in X1, I don't quite have enough confidence to fire it up in front of my clients. I mean, X1 does look more impressive but my clients really don't look at my computer screen all that much. Guess the bakers got their work cut out for them.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 02:42:30
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Billy was this a new project started in X1b or from an earlier version? As you know I've been noticing some quirky behaviour in X1b, I'm almost tempted to say that aside from the bugs I found X1a more stable for want of a better word. Anyway call me insane but I have noticed (I think  ) that once a 'quirky' project has been saved, close & re-opened in X1b the particular quirks seem to have gone away, for that project. It may be wishful thinking or there may be something to it but that seems to my experience so far. That one liner from Bmack. Is it just me or does that have the style of 10Ten all over it?
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 05:31:03
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This is probably not what caused the hangup Billy but sometimes a dialog box may pop up that becomes hidden and will not let you do anything until it is addressed. This will make Sonar look as if it is not responding when it can't until the notification is dealt with.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 09:24:38
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This is probably not what caused the hangup Billy but sometimes a dialog box may pop up that becomes hidden and will not let you do anything until it is addressed. This will make Sonar look as if it is not responding when it can't until the notification is dealt with.
that's an excellent point. even tho that may not be Billy's problem it does cause problems for me, especially with kontakt. when I create new outputs in kontakt it always pops up a dialog box telling me to restart kontakt (which actually I've found isn't really necessary, but that's another subject). in 64bit sonar this always is a problem because I can't get to the dialog box to close it. enter Benstat!!! benstat's Sonar Plus solves that problem for me nicely! using his "Modify Bitbridge Windows" button on the toolbar, I am able to move Kontakt's GUI behind the dialog box and click OK. another kudos for ben!!!!
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 11:00:06
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...But I must say X1B is not earning my confidence yet either.
It's clear to me that you are trying to work with X1(b) and if it didn't do stuff like this you would have confidence in it. That's exactly where I'm coming from. I really like working in 8.5.3 and I was excited that X1 would be onward and upward. I still have high hopes that it will be. So, I'm not a SONAR basher...just the opposite...I'm rather a fanboy of SONAR. But, X1 has truely shaken my confidence that hours of hard work will be losts. And, YES, these kinds of interruption DO impact the creative flow (muse). Once that happens it can be very difficult to get back in the "moment" sort-a-speak. In fact, a simple 3 minute software glitch holdup turns into several hours because you just can't get back to the space you were in before the interruption. As I mentioned in a post a few months back I want my DAW to be "transparent" to the creative process.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 11:09:40
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@Mike...I see you are into Forensic Bug Hunting? 
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 11:41:00
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As far as Billy's issue goes: I'm in the same boat. Occasional lockup for no apparent reason.
I do notice that every time X1B opens, my computer dings as if an alert has popped up but there is no alert to be seen. Hmmmm...
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:06:24
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Hmmm...this does not bode well coming from the likes of a power user like Mr. Arnell himself. Although I have X1b installed, I haven't put in any serious time into it for a couple of reasons...#1 being sticking with ol'familiar 8.5.3 (although it's not as pretty as X1) I don't stare at screen much when I'm recording. #2 being well, the devil I know vs. the one that I don't.
So far, reading from what others have posted about the stability of some of the more basic DAW functions in X1, I don't quite have enough confidence to fire it up in front of my clients. I mean, X1 does look more impressive but my clients really don't look at my computer screen all that much.
Guess the bakers got their work cut out for them.
I've never been one who thinks fashion should come before function (though I understand the 'marketplace' feels quite differently) - so I understand CW wanting a new look. I don't understand why certain things had to be sacrificed to accomplish that (like not having separate grid snap values for track vs prv view - even though there are "workarounds"). That being said ... I'll adapt to anything if it becomes a solid/useful/productive tool. And hopefully one that expands the ability to create and be productive. I see a lot of users jump into threads or starting threads that end up more like a sports event than a serious discussion of strengths and weaknesses or technical discussions that expand everyone's knowledge. I don't think that's productive for a user forum about a technical product, but it's the way it is. I also don't think CW gives two hoots about me or users like me at this point. They want to get as much market share as possible and users like me, and perhaps you, are going to have different needs than "the many". I just want to be able to trust a product and have the tools that let me do what I need to do without fighting me. I'm not a Cakewalk basher (though I have my concerns with their decision to release X1 when they did) nor am I interested in hurting their potential sales. But I have as much right as anyone to express my experience with their products and to complain when things are not working. In return they get someone who is willing to help others and share knowledge (not to mention the money I've paid them). So I do express myself in hopes they make the product better. But in all frankness, I'm not sure they're going in a direction that will work for me (for now). So as I said, we'll see. However, each person should judge for his or herself whether this product is working as expected, whether it fits into their environment and serves their needs. My opinions and experiences are my own. And I don't ever speak for others (unless given permission to do so). I don't have clients come to me. I send my work to my clients. I don't think I would be comfortable working in X1 with clients around me, to be honest. I would with 8.5.3, and Live, and Studio One though. So we'll see where all this goes.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:20:05
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Billy was this a new project started in X1b or from an earlier version?
As you know I've been noticing some quirky behaviour in X1b, I'm almost tempted to say that aside from the bugs I found X1a more stable for want of a better word. Anyway call me insane but I have noticed (I think ) that once a 'quirky' project has been saved, close & re-opened in X1b the particular quirks seem to have gone away, for that project.
It may be wishful thinking or there may be something to it but that seems to my experience so far.
That one liner from Bmack. Is it just me or does that have the style of 10Ten all over it?
Karl, This project is pure X1B ... literally every part of it is started fresh in X1B. The template I used to start it was created in X1B from scratch. Everything is totally fresh in that regard. I have definitely seen "quirky" things going on -- and we all know there are still known and _unknown_ bugs going around in there. Some of the new bugs being discussed on the forum aren't thrilling me either (ex: inability to audition certain wavs at host tempo, and the pre/post setting of PC not being saved, etc). These things are more than cosmetic bugs. If I had to do a project tomorrow where I needed to audition a bunch of loops in search of the right set, it would be almost impossible. How does that instill confidence? As for 10Ten ... funny thing is, I was uncomfortable with his style of communication but I also think he had a lot of VERY solid points. It actually disturbs me that he was banned for expressing his opinion. I agree he may have gone out of his way to be negative and to jump into threads just to add that negativity; but he also had a lot of valid statements regardless. But anyway - nah, I don't think Bmack is 10Ten. 9Nine perhaps ;)
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:22:49
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John
This is probably not what caused the hangup Billy but sometimes a dialog box may pop up that becomes hidden and will not let you do anything until it is addressed. This will make Sonar look as if it is not responding when it can't until the notification is dealt with.
While that situation certainly can happen in Windows, that's not the case in this situation. There is a big difference, easily perceived, between a condition where Windows is 'waiting' for a response and a "hung/stalled" system state.
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:26:05
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John
This is probably not what caused the hangup Billy but sometimes a dialog box may pop up that becomes hidden and will not let you do anything until it is addressed. This will make Sonar look as if it is not responding when it can't until the notification is dealt with.
that's an excellent point. even tho that may not be Billy's problem it does cause problems for me, especially with kontakt. when I create new outputs in kontakt it always pops up a dialog box telling me to restart kontakt (which actually I've found isn't really necessary, but that's another subject). in 64bit sonar this always is a problem because I can't get to the dialog box to close it.
enter Benstat!!! benstat's Sonar Plus solves that problem for me nicely! using his "Modify Bitbridge Windows" button on the toolbar, I am able to move Kontakt's GUI behind the dialog box and click OK. another kudos for ben!!!!
Beags, and John -- sure we can turn this thread into a bunch of speculation about what happened and/or make it a benstat thread, but that doesn't solve the problems. I didn't post this thread just to vent frustration (though that certainly is part of it). X1B going into this random tailspin should be mentioned and if others see it as well, it can be useful for all to be aware of and for CW as well. I think the guy who started the "Will there be an X1C" is onto something ;)
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:39:27
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ba_midi
...But I must say X1B is not earning my confidence yet either.
It's clear to me that you are trying to work with X1(b) and if it didn't do stuff like this you would have confidence in it. That's exactly where I'm coming from. I really like working in 8.5.3 and I was excited that X1 would be onward and upward. I still have high hopes that it will be. So, I'm not a SONAR basher...just the opposite...I'm rather a fanboy of SONAR. But, X1 has truely shaken my confidence that hours of hard work will be losts. And, YES, these kinds of interruption DO impact the creative flow (muse). Once that happens it can be very difficult to get back in the "moment" sort-a-speak. In fact, a simple 3 minute software glitch holdup turns into several hours because you just can't get back to the space you were in before the interruption. As I mentioned in a post a few months back I want my DAW to be "transparent" to the creative process.
You're exactly right that I was trying to work with X1B -- on purpose, and with the hope it would let me start to feel it's "back home" so to speak. The project I started and am working on in X1B is, in fact, a serious project for a client. I don't have the client come to me, so I'm at liberty to work in private/on my own. That is an advantage, but it still is a serious project. From my years of experience as a Sonar / Cakewalk user, and after seeing the long list of bug fixes, I at least expected a much better "B" than the initial release and the "A" patch. Most know I haven't been using X1 due to all the problems I found with it. So this was a sincere attempt to dive back in and work with it. I didn't expect perfection. But I'm just not happy about what I am experiencing. ANd, yep - losing those "moments" can be very debilitating indeed. As for the whole "fanboy" thing. I'm not a fanboy for any company. I have been a long/loyal supporter of Sonar, yes. But when people take on all this affinity with products and companies as if it's their best buddies, I worry. I think that calls for some psychological review LOL. SURE we should be supportive and cheer for those things that are worthy of doing so. At any rate, yeah. I very much understand where you were coming from in your other thread. And at this point I'm feeling a lot less sure myself. To those fanboys, know this: It would be in my interest to be feeling X1B is solid (at least as much as 8.5.3 is for me) and I would gladly BE cheering if that were the case. So please don't waste your time saying I'm being negative when I'm just expressing my experience with a product. It's as simple as that, really. Go back to your happy thread if that works for you.
post edited by ba_midi - 2011/03/25 12:44:28
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:41:09
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trimph1
@Mike...I see you are into Forensic Bug Hunting?
That actually cracked me up! ;)
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Re:When will I learn? (Suspended animation)
2011/03/25 12:43:16
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cjack
As far as Billy's issue goes: I'm in the same boat. Occasional lockup for no apparent reason.
I do notice that every time X1B opens, my computer dings as if an alert has popped up but there is no alert to be seen. Hmmmm...
Do you usually load Sonar with a template or just a normal load (ie, no project/template) and go from there?
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