Update Reality; Let the CW dudes rest for a while.

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2011/03/25 19:07:29 (permalink)

Update Reality; Let the CW dudes rest for a while.

The CW dudes are in sleep mode, cuz they all worked way too much the past 12 months. Give 'em the brakes.
 
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Reality
 
SX1.a/b is working for lots of users.
 
SX1.a/b is different from S1-S8.5.3
 
The average number of updates per version is 3-4 (8.5 had 4.)
 
The latest update,  that I remember, was S4, in june of that year. A 4 month wait while the audio engine was "overhauled." We waited for a bunch of little fixes that could have been provided in February. But,...
 
A bunch of the stuff, "Bugs" and feature adjustments, that have been reported/requested will not be addressed until SX2.
 
A bunch of the stuff, "Bugs" and adjustments, that have been reported/requested will NEVER be addressed.
 
"Bugs" are only such if they interfere with a bunch of users doing something. If only a couple of dudes encounter a problem, it is probably by design, therefore, it is an undocumented feature/benefit.
 
And: a bug may be the consequence of a specific series of steps that include the particular sequence of plugins, routings, drivers, ugliness of the sound,...
 
Given all of the above, and the number of "bugs," and requested changes, I will not bet on at least 2 updates before SX2, because it would be a low paying bet, in that no one would take the bet. (This means I expect at least 2 updates.)
 
SOOOO:::::
 
Document the bugs you encounter, post them here, ask for confirmation, and if confirmed, submit them via the form.
 
Make a list of feature changes/improvements you want, post them here, and submit them via the form. 

 
Many of us strongly believe SX1 is still in beta.
 
Many of us think SX1 will improve to our liking.
 
Many of us think SX1 will not improve.
 
Many of us are brown nosed, lap-boy, speedo wearers, that do not have a clue.
 
But yelling at the CW dudes has become tiresome.  
  
  
 
J
 
post edited by jm24 - 2011/03/26 18:48:47
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 19:32:14 (permalink)

    I'm rolling with it.

    I'm working on a Lenny Bruce tribute routine.

    Laughing is the best medicine.


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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 19:34:25 (permalink)
    Shoulda: stuck with (The Happy Thread) !!!
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 20:34:07 (permalink)
    jm24

    The CW dudes are in sleep mode, cuz they all worked way too much the past 12 months. Give 'em the brakes.
    Is this a fact? Or maybe the CW dudes having been working 9 to 5 for the last 12 months... Seriously, I don't know.
    If they have been "working way too much" it's got nothing to do with the people on the forum --- but it has got everything to do with the managers at CW though.


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    Re:Update Reality::::Poll 2011/03/25 21:01:26 (permalink)
    Ok, this thread has inspired me to create the Update Reality Poll.

    You can take it here:

    http://www.brentradio.com/UpdateRealityPoll.html
     
    Feel free to change the title of the thread...
    post edited by A1MixMan - 2011/03/25 21:09:19

    A1
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    Re:Update Reality::::Poll 2011/03/25 21:48:03 (permalink)
    hey, i do NOT wear speedos (anymore).
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    Re:Update Reality::::Poll 2011/03/25 22:00:14 (permalink)
    BlixYZ


    hey, i do NOT wear speedos (anymore).

    Is that an age related decision?
     
    Or a general political statement?
     
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 22:06:19 (permalink)
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    jm24

    The CW dudes are in sleep mode, cuz they all worked way too much the past 12 months. Give 'em the brakes.
    Is this a fact? Or maybe the CW dudes having been working 9 to 5 for the last 12 months... Seriously, I don't know.
    If they have been "working way too much" it's got nothing to do with the people on the forum --- but it has got everything to do with the managers at CW though.
     
     
    My comments are in relation to all the complaints about the SX1b update, and questions about when SX1c will be released.
     
    Those guys are tired. And all the complaining just does not help. 
     
    I complained a lot about SX even existing. But I quit. Sorta.
     
    J
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 22:09:32 (permalink)
    i was the only one who voted as a brown noser...haaaaa

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 23:04:13 (permalink)
    All I'll say is that I loved Sonar at one time but now it just seems amatuerish.

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/25 23:58:06 (permalink)
    "Those guys are tired. And all the complaining just does not help."

    Im hoping that the shirt and ties in the head office are just as tired now as the development team....
    Edited: The rest was just venting... At ease....






     
    post edited by mikey - 2011/03/26 00:22:37
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 00:23:44 (permalink)
    I am rolling with it - X1B is very usable for me and on my system - 


    that being said it's their job to fix it - my boss doesnt tell me to break or relax because I am tired - 

    I am not expecting anyone at cakewalk  to not spend time with their families or have weekends off.... but when they are working monday through friday regular work day -  fixing bugs should be a priority  don't you think?

    Musicians are artist. Artist are passionate people. They are gonna cream their jeans when they love something and bash the crap out something when they hate it .

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 01:00:33 (permalink)
    jm24


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    jm24

    The CW dudes are in sleep mode, cuz they all worked way too much the past 12 months. Give 'em the brakes.
    Is this a fact? Or maybe the CW dudes having been working 9 to 5 for the last 12 months... Seriously, I don't know.
    If they have been "working way too much" it's got nothing to do with the people on the forum --- but it has got everything to do with the managers at CW though.
     
     
    My comments are in relation to all the complaints about the SX1b update, and questions about when SX1c will be released.
     
    Those guys are tired. And all the complaining just does not help. 
     
    I complained a lot about SX even existing. But I quit. Sorta.
     
    J

    Some of the customers are tired too ;)
     

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 01:01:22 (permalink)
    DeeS


    All I'll say is that I loved Sonar at one time but now it just seems amatuerish.

    I'm sorry to say I'm feeling a bit that way too.  I wish I didn't.
     

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 01:22:04 (permalink)
    patch update here...i just installed the x1 b update..im always the last one to update something..i like the feedback to learn from.so i know what im in for..all i can say is ""ooo my god !! ""  i havent got a chance to use the browser at all so let me be fair by saying i dont know about that as of yet..what i do know is i thought it was stable before??..the fluentcy this patch gave me is out of this world.seems like my gui is more stable..i know it wasnt in the details.cause i looked for it..but before when i would scroll up or down in console view it would be a little choppy..skippy if you will.not anymore..it rolls with fluentcy..the new look of the prochannel is very sweet as well,only have to move one knob and the pc turns on auto.i also noticed something else thats not on the bug list.midi synch was unstable before.not to a point where it would crash but i had to do stupid tricks to get around it..no more.it responds very well.does what it should.for some odd reason i also am getting lower latency.didnt see this on the list either.

    no difference in quality.i didnt notice that and it would also be unfair of me to give a honest review because i havent tried autosnap or the browser,which were 2 things i am curious about.

    but as of right now i love what i see and hear..for got to add my transport bar mover with much more responce..it seems as if the whole gui is responding better.cant figure that out.
    had no problems.first boot up it said something about finding my settings..i hit yes and am still testing.be back later with more results

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 02:08:24 (permalink)
    Please ... stop saying SX. It screws with my brain.

    Thanks.



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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 03:12:19 (permalink)
    Talking about SX is a bit childish and unfair (and it is also easy to confuse this naming with an old version of Cubase making people wonder what we are talking about).

    I can say for my needs X1 is stable and usable. I really feel sorry for those that are bitten by some of the remaining bugs, but for me (and this is strictly personal) X1b was the icing on the Cake.

    Indeed - for the older versions of Sonar sometimes 3 to 4 updates where needed to stabilise all functions in the program. Because this is what we are talking about. The program itself is stable enough for the majority of people, but some functions are not behaving well for some people. And let's be fair - some functions behave a bit different than in older versions of Sonar, leading to criticism (in some cases generated by unwillingness to change, in some cases by lack of knowledge how to use the new lay-out - and in some cases fair). Anyway - the number of functions of the program that are not (yet) working as expected is not that big. They are critical for those people that depending on them (naturally), but do not bite the majority of users (in most cases if they do they are just a bit annoying).

    So - I hope the remaining functions that give trouble for some people are looked at, but for me the palette offered by X1(b) has enough colour for my paintings...
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 09:31:06 (permalink)
    Yo BA

    Tiredness results in stupidity. And yelling at stupid people usually results in defensiveness.

    So, I figger the SX odyssey has just begun. It took 5 versions of Sonar to get a trackview button. And lots of workarounds still are useful with SX (all versions).

    I was hopeful, anticipating, and yearning for Sonar 9. Had beer and party favors ready in September. (Had to buy more of both, during the delayed flight period.) When SX1 landed I was ready for the new and the shiney. And then I found the shiny to only be pixel deep. And the new required learning a new language. And the deja-vu of each version's upgrade cycle was multiplied. And it nearly broke me. I sobbed for hours leaning the draw tool had been reduced to quiet yelps from the robust howl of yesteryear.

    But this week I got it:::  SX1 is beta. And I get to participate in helping guide the development of Sonar as never before. For only $100, I get to test, and report on my findings. I get to learn that many others have responded similarly to the changes and the difficulties.

    This is sorta what many of us have been asking for for years. For CW to stop the yearly upgrade cycle. SX1 is the beta series of the new Sonar. I figger SX2 will be close to alpha. SX3 will get to release candidate.

    (((
    Dollar issues: I read about how users will spend thousands of bucs on hardware, but then complain about a few hundred for the software to run the machine. Silly at best.

    Windows XP cost most people less than $100 dollars, about $10 per year now (about 3 cents per day). and it is till being updated for FREE. Yet all kinds of windows users are still complaining about how much w7 will cost.

    Sonar 8.5 cost me $179 dollars: using it now for 14 months: About $13 per month, I have used it on average 10 hours per week, about 32 cents per hour. Pretty good deal.

    I will bet most Sonar users spend at least 25 times as much on their transportation each month/hour than they do on their computers.
    )))


    Even though I will not USE SX1 for production stuff, I will play with it a bit after each release, so I can continue to contribute to its growth.
    (No one should use it for production stuff until way tested.  'Tis good and reasonable business.)

    I expect I will continue to use S8.5.3 until the SX series provides the tools I want. Or when SX, and other software, requires a new OS. But I am sure windows 7 will be around at least as long as windows XP.

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    Yo others:

    Sonar 1 = S1
    Sonar 8 = S8
    Sonar X = SX
    Very reasonable. But I can understand that some readers of these messages, at the CAKEWALK SONAR forums, would get confused and think about Cubase SX, which is sooo last decade.

    ( Cubase now comes in 3 flavors: Cubase 6, Cubase Artist 6, and (wait for it) Cubase Essential 6. Great marketing minds think about the same stuff. Must be an age thing. Remember how the XP label was applied to everything.)

    I concede to SX1.b.  OK?

    J
    post edited by jm24 - 2011/03/26 11:09:47
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 13:15:36 (permalink)
    jm24,

    Why don't you just call it X1 like everyone else? There is no product by Cakewalk called SX. There isn't even a product by Cakewalk called X so as an acronym or shorthand it doesn't work either. SX is/was a product made by Steinberg and is indeed so last decade.

    Also, FYI, an alpha version of software come before a beta version. A bit like in the Greek alphabet. ;-)

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    post edited by UnderTow - 2011/03/26 13:18:02
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 14:00:37 (permalink)
    Why SX?  Because it is in keeping with S8.5,... And given that it is the first of its kind I figgered the 1 is superfluous.

    But now, in keeping with versioning, ie S8.5.3, I will use SX1.b,...

    Why should I have to type "Sonar" repeatedly?  And the correct creation of acronyms is to include the first part of the phrase, in this case Sonar X1. Hence, SX1. And in keeping with updates, which are usually distingushed by "dots," I will use SX1.b, cuz the "b" is not part of the name.

    Any body explain the "X" yet?  is it 10?  Or, was someone forlorned about missing-out on XP stupidity of 2002?

    I like the feeling of "The Alpha Male." "The Beta Male" is just not as cool.

    J
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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 14:04:45 (permalink)
    Aren't you glad they didn't call it Sonar EX... of course we would all be anticipating release of the "y" patch so we could use the SEXy version.

    Seriously though. I hope Cake stays with X1 until all it's features are working and working well. Then, as for me, I would rather see "add ons" offered for sale to a stable DAW instead of a whole new DAW (like X2) with a whole new batch of bugs to work out. I doubt that will happen though. I wonder if they could do some sort of leasing plan like MasterWriter does. That would give them a steady stream of income (if they could stick with X1 and just do updates now and then. I think MW offers their program for 10 bucks a month or 100 bucks a year, updates included or 200 bucks to buy it outright but you have to pay for updates. I don't know much... but that makes sense to me.

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    Re:Update Reality:::: 2011/03/26 14:13:25 (permalink)
    Yo Jbow

    Good yuk.

    Your words have been written and read in this forum since I started using CW9.

    Hence my words:
    ""
    A bunch of the stuff, "Bugs" and feature adjustments, that have been reported/requested will not be addressed until SX2.
     
    A bunch of the stuff, "Bugs" and adjustments, that have been reported/requested will NEVER be addressed. 
    ""


    "Same as it ever was. Same as it ever was."

    J
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