HumbleNoise
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How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
Here's my dilemma. I found a loop to start building a song from and during the consequent tracking, 4 or 5 MIDI tracks and a couple of audio tracks, I've discovered that the original loop starts at 1:01:240, not 1:01:000. It got moved somehow during groove clipping or was just never dragged to 1:00:000 to start with. I can move each audio track back to :000 with clip properties in the Inspector but not sure how to move a MIDI track back by that same :240.
Any help appreciated.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 11:50:26
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I would turn snap to absolute timing. Put a key audio track along side the midi track and zoom in then select all the notes in the midi track with Ctrl A. Then use the move tool to slide over all the notes until they align with a key transient or beginning of the audio track. If I read you correctly.
Alternatively you could slide all of the audio tracks in absolute time to align with the midi.
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HumbleNoise
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 11:55:05
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I THINK I understand your suggestion and it does sound like you read my question correctly. I'll thrash about and see what happens. Thanks very much.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:15:51
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very small increments can sometimes be achieved by the nudge feature too..just a thought larry.im not as expereinced at moving midi clips as i am audio..with audio i usualy would set snap to measure and drag it untill it snaps into place on 101.00
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:18:17
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I tried to simply move all the MIDI notes 'move by' absolute time but .240 seconds of course is no where near :240 at 110 BPM. Is there sa way to move the MIDI notes by :240? Is that move by frames? Samples? Stumped.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:20:08
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chuckebaby
very small increments can sometimes be achieved by the nudge feature too..just a thought larry.im not as expereinced at moving midi clips as i am audio..with audio i usualy would set snap to measure and drag it untill it snaps into place on 101.00
Yeah I hear ya Charlie. The audio was easy and I could move each audio clip in the Inspector and clip properties. I thought MIDI would be easy but I'm a bit stumped.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:23:49
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Is your problem over now, HN?
- In your original post it sounds like you mean all your tracks are still in sync, but that you discovered they were all at 1:01:240 instead of 1:01:000, so you needed to move them all. That's all there is to it, right?-- MIDI clips can be moved the same as audio clips--same procedure, just select them and move. Since this is the very beginning of the project, you don't need to use the inspector and work about numbers - everything needs to just be bumped up to the starting line, just making sure the silent bit ahead of the clips isn't also selected-because that would prevent the clips from moving.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:28:07
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how to move a MIDI track back by that same :240. Check out the "PROCESS/SLIDE" command and use a negative number. You'll have to calculate how many tick :240 is for you depending on your settings.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:31:41
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Thanks Randy and still haven't got it. You have understood the problem correctly but my challenge is with other clips that don't start at the beginning. For the Audio the inspector was great because I could type in the start time back to xx:000 and everything, including those clips that didn't start at 1:00:000, moved to a measure.
The MIDI clip starts at 1:00:000 but the notes do not, so I can't drag the MIDI clip to the left back to 1:00:000 so I THINK I need to move the notes within the MIDI clip. You're aware of how backwards I can go about things and I so appreciate the help and hope that's a bit clearer.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:35:23
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SH
how to move a MIDI track back by that same :240.
Check out the "PROCESS/SLIDE" command and use a negative number. You'll have to calculate how many tick :240 is for you depending on your settings.
Tried slide and nudge. Do those commands work on MIDI? Ahh! They do if you slip edit the beginning of the clip to make room!! BRILLIANT!! Thanks so much to everyone.
post edited by HumbleNoise - 2011/03/27 12:37:00
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:47:24
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HumbleNoise
SH
how to move a MIDI track back by that same :240.
Check out the "PROCESS/SLIDE" command and use a negative number. You'll have to calculate how many tick :240 is for you depending on your settings.
Tried slide and nudge. Do those commands work on MIDI?
Ahh! They do if you slip edit the beginning of the clip to make room!! BRILLIANT!!
Thanks so much to everyone.
Ah - I see you already answered your own question - Good deal, HN. Yes, you trim MIDI clips anyway you need, in this case, getting the head trimmed off going right up to the first note, so the clip can be moved. Onwards! Randy B.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 12:51:03
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That was it Randy - thanks
and THANKS SH!
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 13:49:59
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If you select the clip then do Trim (shift T), before you slide, is an alternate to slip editing.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 14:01:33
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I'll remember that WOOKIE - Thanks
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 14:11:06
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Possibly it would have been easier to move the clips as opposed to the notes. (I say so because you had to slip-edit the clip to make room.)
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 14:15:48
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Possibly it would have been easier to move the clips as opposed to the notes. (I say so because you had to slip-edit the clip to make room.)
That IS what I ended up doing. Select the clip>Process>Slide>-240 ticks. After making room at the beginning of the clip.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 14:32:01
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So, did you add a measure at the beginning of the track to have a place to move to? There was another thread about always starting a song in the 2nd or 3rd measure. Is this why? The problem you had?
Thanks, I am just trying to understand.
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Re:How To Move EVERYTHING Back :240 in X1b?
2011/03/27 17:02:59
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Hi Julien,
In this case there wasn't a need to add a measure (that I'm aware of anyway) at the beginning I just needed to slip some of the MIDI track, that had no notes in it, you know the simple blank clip that will start at 1:00:000 even though you start playing until 2:00:000 or whenever. I didn't move the entire clip, I just grabbed the left edge and moved it to the right to make some room to move the WHOLE clip to the left.
The original MIDI track was up against measure 1 beat one so I had to make some room there then I Process>slipped the whole clip -240 clicks (to the loft if you'll excuse a non-musical term). Way more complicated here than in practice.
The audio, which all had to be moved -240 ticks as well, was done in the inspector. Each clip started something like xx:00:240 and I just edited the start times in each clip to move them over -240 ticks.
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