MIKEO
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New potential user
Hi, I'm considering an upgrade to Music Creator 5 and would like to know if it will help solve my latency issues. I currently use a Behringer mixer plugged into the soundcard of my laptop and run Audacity. It works well to record one stereo track, but multitracking yields terrible latency problems. I recently bought this: Interface and need some software to go with it. I mainly record vocals, acoustic guitar and bass using no more than 6 total tracks and only one or two at a time (which could be mono). How will Music Creator 5 work for me? Also, I have Vista........ Thanks in advance!
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 15:20:21
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no, MC5 will not reduce your latency. latency is 95% due to soundcard drivers. the behringer interface you linked to should give you low(er) latency than your laptop's soundcard, but you might need to use ASIO4ALL in order to get it to work at lower latency.
however, I don't know if audacity will recognize ASIO driver mode or not, I'm thinking it does not. so in that respect, MC5 might be a good option for you, combined with the behringer usb soundcard and possibly ASIO4ALL, using MC5 in ASIO driver mode.
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 15:56:41
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Although that looks like a Behringer, it's made by Pyle. Currently, their web site has no spec's for latency and there are no special drivers required, thus they don't ship ASIO drivers with this device. It really looks like the behringer U-control which works best with WDM. I was able to get decent latencies but I had to adjust the buffer parameters to do so. I had to play with the latency control when loading on the effects and synths. Pyle Pro u-control
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 15:58:14
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Although that looks like a Behringer, it's made by Pyle. Currently, their web site has no spec's for latency and there are no special drivers required, thus they don't ship ASIO drivers with this device. It really looks like the behringer U-control which works best with WDM. I was able to get decent latencies but I had to adjust the buffer parameters to do so. I had to play with the latency control when loading on the effects and synths.
Pyle Pro u-control
oh! good catch, Jim.
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MIKEO
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 16:10:24
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Thanks guys. I think I will try Music Creator 5 with the new interface w/o any drivers first and see how much improvement I get over my current set up. Being that I record mostly 4 tracks or less and no plugins or anything I think the latency may be noticebly better just by using this new combination. If not, I will try to download the ASIO4ALL driver and try that option. (Not sure if this interface will work with it though)
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 16:28:33
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You gotta use one driver or another.... no other options actually.
If you can swing it, the best thing is to return the interface thing and get a real interface that uses ASIO drivers straight up.... it costs a bit more but it works.
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MIKEO
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Re:New potential user
2011/03/31 16:52:16
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Guitarhacker
You gotta use one driver or another.... no other options actually.
My bad, I meant to say the driver already on the computer. Using the Pyle interface with Audacity, I've already noticed much less noise over plugging into the soundcard mic input. Does the type of software have any effect on latency? (I'm still getting latency by the 3rd track on Audacity)
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Re:New potential user
2011/04/01 00:25:57
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I think latency exists whether you use 1 track or 64 tracks. What is the thing that you call latency?
A delay between when you sing or play the guitar and the time you hear it in the speakers or headphones? Or something else?
Various glitches can occur if the processor gets bogged down or if the sound card has inefficient audio-to-digital/digital-to-audio converters, but if you have latency, it would be noticable on the first track.
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Re:New potential user
2011/04/01 09:22:46
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Greg, for me its never a problem with the original track. If I mic an acoustic guitar (usually first track) then I can hear my guitar and I'm not really listening to what's coming through the headphones. If I add a bass track, I play along with the recorded guitar through the headphones, then when I listen back to the 2 tracks together, they sound "out of time"with each other. I'm a long time bass player who is very good at "playing in the pocket" but find it impossible to do this while recording multiple tracks on my current setup. Is this "latency"?
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Re:New potential user
2011/04/01 11:59:14
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Yes and a driver setup that adjust that is very helpful. If you really want this to work get a good solid interface to front the system. If you just plan to record by yourself at home, this is easy and there are a ton of options.
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Re:New potential user
2011/04/01 12:55:54
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The ASIO4ALL is merely a program which creates a wrapper around the WDM driver which uses WDM Kernel-Streaming and sometimes even more sophisticated methods to achieve its objectives. While an improvement over WDM may be noticeable, with todays technology, I'm not sure that there is any great advantage over using WDM mode, provided you make the proper adjustments in the mixing latency such as number of buffers and buffer size adjustments while ensuring that your USB device is being used for your RECORD and PLAYBACK Timing Masters.
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Re:New potential user
2011/04/01 22:34:53
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Greg, for me its never a problem with the original track. If I mic an acoustic guitar (usually first track) then I can hear my guitar and I'm not really listening to what's coming through the headphones. If I add a bass track, I play along with the recorded guitar through the headphones, then when I listen back to the 2 tracks together, they sound "out of time"with each other. I'm a long time bass player who is very good at "playing in the pocket" but find it impossible to do this while recording multiple tracks on my current setup. Is this "latency"?
You hear the recorded track, which you hear late due to latency, so your new tracks gets recorded behind the previous tracks. That in itself is not a killer; you can drag subsequent tracks so they all line up with the first track. Do you record to the metronome?
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