Bounce to tracks

The Tracks menu is at the top of the Track View.

Thanks guy, just so frustrating.

Kroneborge


Thanks guy, just so frustrating.

It is pretty amazing isn't it, Kroneborge--to suddenly have everything so completely changed from what we learned - and for not any good purpose really, except that the interface now Looks tidier--who gives a rip?--the old Sonar worked just fine and was truly intuitive because all the items you needed to get at were like Right There.  Now we have really dumb things like needing to hold Ctrl while moving tracks around in Console View--um--why all the focus back on the computer keyboard again?  It's forcing us to be bigger computer geeks than most of us ever wanted to be.  Really odd.  I'll never understand what possessed the company when they decided to re-design/mutilate Sonar.

RB

rbowser

Kroneborge


Thanks guy, just so frustrating.

It is pretty amazing isn't it, Kroneborge--to suddenly have everything so completely changed from what we learned - and for not any good purpose really, except that the interface now Looks tidier--who gives a rip?--the old Sonar worked just fine and was truly intuitive because all the items you needed to get at were like Right There.  Now we have really dumb things like needing to hold Ctrl while moving tracks around in Console View--um--why all the focus back on the computer keyboard again?  It's forcing us to be bigger computer geeks than most of us ever wanted to be.  Really odd.  I'll never understand what possessed the company when they decided to re-design/mutilate Sonar.

RB

Agreed.  Some of the stuff was a good idea.  But many of the changes seemed to be made just to make them.   With no other real purpose than to confuse people that have invested a lot of time in learning how things work.

This is a great example of it.  What "purpose" was served by hiding the bounce button.  We all knew where it was at, it worked fine. 

AND IF still thought we needed to change this stuff.  Then detailed instructions on where to find everything should have been included.  I had similar frustrations trying to find the damm synth rack when I first loaded it.

Still, I here the pro-channel sounds good so that's something (not that I've tried it yet because I already have a lot of EQ's and compressors (not that I ever complain about getting new ones ! ))

is bounce to tracks and bounce to clips the same thing?

chuckebaby


is bounce to tracks and bounce to clips the same thing?

They are very similiar, but in this case I didn't have any clips I could bounce.

HumbleNoise


The fact that Cakewalk didn't include a detailed tutorial that showed all the new locations of various functions was not cool IMO. But after saying that, if you intend to go forward with X1 it's really, really, really worth it to just sit and humble yourself (get it?) for a couple of days and learn where everything is. If not, then it will remain torture.

Yes it's new, and yes it represents change, and yes commands are in new places, and yes (Randy lol) it's ugly to some, but please, it's not like 8.53 or ANY other version of Sonar was even SLIGHTLY intuitive. You learned where all the stuff was the old fashioned way - with the manual and this forum - and after a few sessions it gets a lot easier. i.e. you'll never have to look for bounce to track or bounce to clip again.

SHOULD you have to learn a new way of doing things? Was the old way just fine? Is it ugly? Those questions are probably best left to those who like to argue such things, but if you intend to learn X1 it might be best to put your head down and learn it - just like you learned Sonar 6, 7, 8. And of course with lots of help here on the forum.

good post larry..i think many of you in due time will warm up to this and forget all about being frustrated with it.you may not ever forget somethings.like i will agree 100 percent the manual is my biggest problem..that user guide has three different versions rolled up in one and some things are very difficult to find.but once you put out a a few songs youll probably change your minds about its functions.(i think..lol)

Contributing replies to several of the more recent posts on this thread:

Bounce to clips is what you do when you want to tidy up the layers in a segment of a track, a clip.  You might have a lot of MIDI layers in a clip which is of less length than the whole track.  Bounce to clip, and then you have one solid clip to deal with.  Same with audio.  Maybe you've dubbed over something on top of another layer of audio, but it would be more convenient to have one one layer, one clip to deal with.

Bounce to tracks is what you want to do with your MIDI before mixing, so you can do the mixing phase of your project totally in the audio realm.

Previous versions of Sonar were precisely what people call "intuitive" because all you had to do was have all the toolbars visible, and you could find a button to do what you wanted.  Who gives a rip that it was "cluttered" looking - everything was there, visible, accessible, "intuitive" and easy to use.

The more often a user has to delve back in to a manual, or buy an extra manual which should have been included in the first place, just to figure out a program - that's indicative of how much of a fail a program is.  All programs take time to learn, but they shouldn't be so arcane that constant manual reference is mandatory.

Here's how much reason there was to hide a basic function like bounce to tracks:  ZERO.  There's absolutely no defensible reason that this function was removed from totally logical, "intuitively" included part of the EDIT menu.  Whoever decided it should be hidden in a sub-menu is smokin' crack for lunch.

This is an example of why, in my opinion, in my ever so humble, IMHO - it appears that X1 was put together by young computer geeks who either had no knowledge of previous versions of Sonar, or didn't care if they did, and apparently don't make music of their own, otherwise they wouldn't have created such a bizarre mish-mash of overly-complicated, hidden, computer keyboard bound way of making the program work.  It really looks to me as if they were more concerned with how the program Looks - aaaah, so streamlined - more than with how it functions.

There's no way to ever forget how much easier to use and plain better previous Sonars were.  I still use 8.5, and probably will for some time to come.  It's a bore and a drag to poke around with X1, trying to make myself like it, when it's still (after 3 months) still a clunky, badly made program which is more of a curiosity piece (as in--omg!--are they serious?) than anything I can take seriously.  The only reason I keep trying is--well folks, as we know, this is now the only supported version of Sonar we have.

And so forth.

RB

Kroneborge

but please, it's not like 8.53 or ANY other version of Sonar was even SLIGHTLY intuitive.

I STRONGLY disagree with this.   I moved to Sonar from Fruity Loops and Cubase way back in S2 precisly because it was so intutive.  Stuff just made sense.  I've had to do very use with the manual over the years, and when I did have to use it, at least it didn't tell me to look for a menu that I couldn't even find, lol.  There was mainly just a couple of menu's at the top.  Not hidden ones all over the place.

That being said, yes you are right, IF I decide I want to stay with Sonar, I will probably have to get my head around it.   Maybe I'll watch the groove3 video when I get a chance (again this should be unceccesary).

I do have the cubase demo installed right now, but really i DON'T WANT TO LEARN A NEW DAW.  And most other people don't either.   Which is why all the frustration.

We were expecting an update that contained some new bells and whistles and fixed some of the prior bugs (gapless audio etc)

instead we got a program that moved a lot of stuff around, and broke a bunch of other stuff.

So now instead of the bakers working on fixing the stuff that was broken, from older versions, they are rushing to fix all the new stuff they broke...................

Of course you're right Mathew, only we each have a different definition of intuitive. Intuitive to you? Seems like it - very cool. Intuitive on its face? Can't be said definitively and I shouldn't have stated it as a fact to begin with. I should have said that neither 8.53 nor X1 are intuitive  -  to me but that point can be argued with no one's point of view being correct or incorrect. Heck maybe a bunch of people thought that Fruity or Cubase was intuitive. Were they wrong? No their brains just worked better with those programs like some worked better with 8.53 and some work better with X1.

I think this same old argument about whether or not X1 should or shouldn't have been changed will simply wear itself out over time but I feel your pain and I also think you're right about it being like learning a whole new DAW. I guess that can be a good thing but you certainly don't have to think so.

I do hope they get this under control though and I am actually hoping they CAN get it under control. Watching some of these threads makes me wonder and the communication seems to have stopped and will there be a hot fix? And when?

Well at least you know where to find 'bounce to tracks'