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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 10:57:47
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I see it as an advantage. If I'm eating pizza while mixing at least the grease and crumbs go on a smooth glass surface and not into my pots and faders  To answer your question. I clean my studio once a week including the touch screen and a really don't eat pizza while I'm mixing.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 12:06:22
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Hey, Scott. I love the V-Studio and personally am not sure it is the problem, but I am trying to test all theories proposed by the technicians. The issues may or may not be solved--takes time with intermittent issues.
Some of the issues:
• Audio disappears after a certain number of soft synths are added. Example: Everything is fine with 7 synths, but all audio disappears when an 8th is added. Not a problem in every project.
• Hollywood Strings performs so badly that I cannot use it even though my system far exceeds the requirements and I limit myself to "lite" patches. Notes drop like a synth that is running out of polyphony when only 2-3 notes are playing.
• Cut, copy, and paste suddenly stop working.
• Sonar crashes when I open Staff view.
• Sometimes when I open a project, the Ins/Outs for the tracks are messed up: V-Studio 1-2 will be Fantom, 3-4 will be 1-2, MIDI output will be Console instead of MIDI port, etc.
• No audio if more than one project is open. Makes it difficult to copy parts/tracks.
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 13:30:55
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Hi konradh I'm not sure if your problems are so much VS-700 related, there might be some PC issues ...??? • Audio disappears after a certain number of soft synths are added. Example: Everything is fine with 7 synths, but all audio disappears when an 8th is added. Not a problem in every project.
Haven't seen that happening (yet), but I'm not owing / using the same synths as you do • Cut, copy, and paste suddenly stop working.
Haven't seen that with sonar yet, but I have that same problem occasionally on an engineering PC where Sonar is not installed ... • Sonar crashes when I open Staff view.
Does it also crash when opened via mouse from regular menus? I have the problem that nudging clips with the VS-700 crashes Sonar but just recently dicovered that it also crashes when doing it via the Process menu, so I filed a problem report • Sometimes when I open a project, the Ins/Outs for the tracks are messed up: V-Studio 1-2 will be Fantom, 3-4 will be 1-2, MIDI output will be Console instead of MIDI port, etc.
I have that happening when I switch on my interfaces in a different order - ever since I'm following the same power up sequence, this is pretty much gone • No audio if more than one project is open. Makes it difficult to copy parts/tracks.
Need to test this. Haven't noticed it yet, but I usually work with single projects only as the FANTOM is complaining badly if opened in 2 projects ...
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the wildman
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 13:43:24
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Yes I can see that working, with the picture showing your screen set up.
A bit like working with an iPad and Vcontrol. But bigger.
Nice set up.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 13:57:18
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SSL Nucleus or AVID Artist series.  Go with SSL Nucleus!  SSL Matrix is the same as SSL Nucleus. Its only extra analog amp's and EQ included on same console. is it worth the extra cash? No. Next up is Digital Tascam DM4800. Controller and digital console  after that Yamaha 02R V2 Digital console and controller.  After that SSL AWS or System 5 MC or Yamaha NuAGE  
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joeb1cannoli
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 14:27:10
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Thanks wildman
Another nice thing is that you don't need to set up ACT . You open Sonar and it works. It used to drive me nuts when I used my Axiom 49 as a surface control. If you forgot to turn it on before opening Sonar you'd need to reset the midi in/outs and it would loose the preset sometimes.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 15:21:23
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konradh
Hey, Scott. I love the V-Studio and personally am not sure it is the problem, but I am trying to test all theories proposed by the technicians. The issues may or may not be solved--takes time with intermittent issues.
Hey Konrad... wow, that's quite a few problems. Have you been in touch with Cakewalk tech support? I don't see how the V-Studio would be the sole cause for all those problems. As for Hollywood Strings... that definitely requires a lot of resources. Do you have it on a dedicated sample streaming drive? Are you using the ASIO or WDM driver mode? I really would contact Cakewalk support to see if they can walk you through some things. But yeah, if they're intermittent, it'll definitely be difficult to nail them down. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Saxon1066
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 16:35:22
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rbowser
Here's part of a user's review of the Nucleus posted at Sweetwater - he gives it one star:
"... Nucleus has no surround sound, no talk back, not enough inputs and outputs and not enough preamps. This unit reminds me of a modern version of the Yamaha 01x but its still does not compare to the 01x. To consider this unit as home or pro gear is kinda crazy. SSL fix this unit and give us something that compare to the others. The name SSL will not sell the unit..."
I've seen the review. The Nucleus is not attempting to be an audio mixer like the Yamaha. It's apples and oranges, a review that is not useful. I don't have a Nucleus yet, but I am only interested in how good a controller it is.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 16:57:14
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I hate to post this after all of the discussion on these high end controllers.....but.... the Korg Nano Kontrollers are really cool. If you happen to be one of us lucky ones that happen to get it configured correctly. I have 3 of the fader banks running for 24 channel mixing/panning/mute/record/solo. all for about $220.00 They are cheap, really fun, and don't take up a ton of desk area. I had to use the generic cakewalk mode to get them to communicate properly with sonar x2, but now that's all setup it works like a dream. (I could never get mackie control protocol to work with them though) They really do get the job done.
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the wildman
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 17:05:53
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Yes +1 for the Korg Nano I run one at my vocal recording mic position, to control X2 when tracking my vocals, as its too far from my desk. On my desk I use a Presonus faderport and a Shuttle Pro. Both Excellent devices. Would love a big control surface, but way out of my league. (I used to have a Behringer thing with motorised faders but it died one day and so that was that. Tried ipad with V-control, but it messed up Sonar somehow, so took it off.)
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Saxon1066
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 17:30:19
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@Freddie H: I can't agree about the Matrix. It has vastly more capability than the Nucleus. It's what I crave more than any other gear ($23,000). Not only a DAW controller, but also 16 audio channels in and out for true zero latency overdubbing! No more f**king with the ASIO buffer slider. Then with a couple of button pushes, it becomes a summing mixer. The routing lets you insert any of your hardware pre's, eq's or compressors on any channel -- for tracking and/or mixing. And it saves your routing setups!
I would probably kill for a Matrix. Satan, be gone!
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:25:53
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Scott and Freeflybertl:
I also do not believe the interface could possibly cause these things (and I only provided a partial list). I believe the system was set up wrong to start with but Sweetwater is taking the position that I need to try another interface before they do anything else because they are out of ideas. Fine, but that is a major task for me and it may make things worse. My greatest fear is that I will switch to the Motu to test their theory and then my system will be hopelessly screwed up when I try to go back to the Roland.
Sweetwater says they have opened tickets with Cakewalk but Cakewalk has no ideas. Cakewalk asked for a dmp file but then said it didn't really tell them anything. Unfortunately, Cakewalk and Roland are acting like two separate companies and pointing fingers at each other.
Freeflybertl:
• I never turn the Console or IO off because it takes too long to reset everything (like mic pres and other stuff).
• About opening two projects with Fantom: if I try to open a second project that has Fantom, the system locks up and crashes and does not even give me a chance to tell it not to load the Fantom VST.
• The Staff crash happens whether I use a shortcut button I created on the console or the Sonar menu; however, I cannot predict when that will or will not happen. Sometimes it happens constantly for weeks, then goes away for a while.
• I have also had lots of problems with VSTs but think they are at least temporarily sorted out.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:33:47
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I would probably kill for a Matrix. Satan, be gone!
The focusrite 2802 looks pretty handy too but alas it doesn't talk with Sonar
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:44:54
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Personally if I had the money this is the sucker I would go for http://www.slateproaudio.com/ I'm not sure of the price but it is the most awsome peice of kit I have seen in a while. A digital mixer and virtual control surface in one!! Peace Ben
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:49:42
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Ben, north of USD 17,000. It is a touchscreen and more. Still seems a bit rich.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:50:01
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konradh
I also do not believe the interface could possibly cause these things (and I only provided a partial list). I believe the system was set up wrong to start with but Sweetwater is taking the position that I need to try another interface before they do anything else because they are out of ideas. Fine, but that is a major task for me and it may make things worse. My greatest fear is that I will switch to the Motu to test their theory and then my system will be hopelessly screwed up when I try to go back to the Roland.
Hey Konrad... installing another interface shouldn't interfere with any others you have installed. I have multiple interface drivers on the my system and it doesn't cause trouble. Although, I don't use them at the same time, but that's not what you'll be doing either. Before you install anything though, you should image your drive with Acronis first, just in case. Have you tried using other software with the V-Studio interface? If the problems are just occurring in SONAR and not other software, that would rule out the interface. Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus - http://garrigus.com - SONAR X2 Power! - http://garrigus.com/?SonarX2Power * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://garrigus.com/?PowerBooks * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://garrigus.com/?ProAudioTutor * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://digifreq.com/?DigiFreq * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://newtechreview.com/?NewTechReview
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 19:50:48
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I would take a hard look at the Mackie Control. Its strengths are: Most all DAWs support it. It will work on any system because it uses MIDI either via USB or through a MIDI port. I have had mine for many years and it is solid. It has not become obsolete or lost its status as the de facto industry standard.
It has physical controls with high quality components. Its extensible. It is affordable.
I have seen a lot of CSs come and go. The MC just works.
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Saxon1066
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/25 20:25:22
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Mackie Control works great. However, there are build quality issues in recent versions. I had the original Mackie Control for about 5 years, and it was solid. Maybe one record button wore out.
Then I went to Mackie Control Universal Pro with two extenders. The scribble-strip LCD's faded to darkness within six months. I had them replaced, and those also faded to black in less than a year. I'm in touch with Mackie recently: the newest batch of LCD's should be better.
It's be best bang-for-buck controller. I just hope quality control over there in China has gotten better. (He says, knowingly, wink wink, say no more.)
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Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/26 12:28:24
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Hi konradh • I never turn the Console or IO off because it takes too long to reset everything (like mic pres and other stuff).
I'm under the impression that my (any?) DAW wants to be booted first before turning on the USB audio devices (somebody may prove me wrong, but things seem to work better this way) Unfortunately the VS-700 does not (like e.g. the Octa-Capture) save mixer and pre-amps settings internally. However, I figured the easiest way to keep the settings between projects or reboots is to use a settings file saved by the VS 700 IO Editor (standalone application). I actually have a batch file set up that I just double click after a reboot, which triggers loading the most recent settings and the clock synchronisation option (DIGITAL 1 IN in my case as I also use the OctaCapture) • About opening two projects with Fantom: if I try to open a second project that has Fantom, the system locks up and crashes and does not even give me a chance to tell it not to load the Fantom VST.
• The Staff crash happens whether I use a shortcut button I created on the console or the Sonar menu; however, I cannot predict when that will or will not happen. Sometimes it happens constantly for weeks, then goes away for a while.
• I have also had lots of problems with VSTs but think they are at least temporarily sorted out.
On the rest I can't help much other than mentioning that I also had a lot of VST problems lately, BUT mine are now pretty much gone (fingers crossed, but I'm running very stable at the moment!) The 2 issues I could identify causing the problems were (a) 32 bit plug-ins that caused random crashes, but that was fixed by getting jBridge installed and (b) a corrupted installation of Acronis True Image, which somehow messed with my drive performance and caused crashes in 64 bit Kontakt instruments (I discovered that Acronis problem by accident when trying to do another backup and kept getting crashes in Acronis; since re-installing Acronis to get a working backup I haven't had a single of those random Sonar crashes) ... Trouble really is that every PC is soooo differently set-up, so we can only try to help, and sometimes you need a great portion of luck to find that needle in the haystack that causes all the headache.
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siordanescu
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/26 13:59:57
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I think that the MACKIE control is one of the safest choices. depends on how much money you want to allocate for this controller. I use very successfully a controller type M-AUDIO PROJECTMIX I / O which I am very pleased. I have not had any problems with it and I used the time of sonar 7. is perfectly integrated in sonar x2.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/26 17:27:49
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By the way, I haven't used a Nucleus but it is one of the coolest-looking surfaces out there.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2013/02/26 17:37:30
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Mackie Control works great. However, there are build quality issues in recent versions. I had the original Mackie Control for about 5 years, and it was solid. Maybe one record button wore out.
Then I went to Mackie Control Universal Pro with two extenders. The scribble-strip LCD's faded to darkness within six months. I had them replaced, and those also faded to black in less than a year. I'm in touch with Mackie recently: the newest batch of LCD's should be better.
It's be best bang-for-buck controller. I just hope quality control over there in China has gotten better. (He says, knowingly, wink wink, say no more.)
I just had my MCU Pro replaced for a dim scribble strip. It was out of the Mackie Warranty (1 year) but still in the Sweetwater 2 year warranty. They just sent me another one (brand new) and I sent the original back. I notice that the scribble strip on the new unit is brighter than the one on my original ever was, even when new. Thank you Sweetwater for honoring your warranty. Time will tell how long before this one starts to dim, if at all. From what I have been told, the part is about $100.00 from Mackie but it is an absolute nightmare to install as literally the entire unit has to be taken apart. It looks like it would be simple, but it's not. This comes from people who have done it. YMMV...
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2015/03/13 06:09:05
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i”m very happy with m-audio projectmix...
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2015/06/06 22:47:42
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sdpate
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i use the mackie mcu pro with the c4 rotary controller.
all the other surfaces fall short for me because they cant handle large plugin control. the mcu works with many daws and the c4 automatically maps any vst.
i use the mackie mcu pro with the c4 rotary controller. all the other surfaces fall short for me because they cant handle large plugin control. the mcu works with many daws and the c4 automatically maps any vst.
How you you get the C4 to map the plugins - that's a mystery to me. The MCU PRO/XT combination is awesome except Sonar keeps losing the MIDI connection - reset!
Cheers.
Hi sdpate, I followed your instructions and my vst's can be controlled. But what about the ProChannel, can it be controlled? It seems it only controls the first effect in the chain. Can you get it to display the other effects in ProCh? Thanks, Kevin
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2015/06/07 05:19:03
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This thread is 4 years old and you are quoting a post made 2 years ago.
I'm not aware of any control surface that can control the ProChannel. The ProChannel functions are not exposed for external control. Only the EQ.
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Re:Which Control Surface?
2015/06/08 07:41:29
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The ProChannel functions are not exposed for external control. Only the EQ.
Hmm... they are exposed, as ACT and Filter interface (the last one has special ProChannel addition and unfortunately several nasty bugs).
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