Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100

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2011/04/04 19:14:29 (permalink)

Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100

Last week I bought the Octo-capture , I find it sounding great with instant Playback. No problems what so ever, But its kind a waste for me, something like the Mackie Blackjack would of been perfect, but with there non stellar drivers and Cakewalk being the most finicky program ever with driver support , I will stay away, Even though I contacted Mackie and they are releasing a W7 64 bit driver soon , I still will stay away..  The Roland for my type of recording is kinda useless, all I needed is 1in 1out, I record only Vocals and Keyboards , which the keyboards go through a patch bay, and the Vocals go through my focusrite Ad/Da converter ,Via S/pdif  so the other 10 ins are useless for me nothing will ever get hook up... 
 So I am toying with the Idea of returning it for the VS-100 which is the same price.
I been doing some research on the Octo and the Vs , Some say they use the same converters but from what I gather , The VS models take there pre's from RSS m-400 and when you look at the year that was released vs the Octo one must say There is no way Roland used the same components but who knows, The SNR is 114 on the Octo , and 110 on the VS units. Im no expert in this field ,This is why I love to know what you guys think, Has any compare the 2.. 
A question about the Vs is it possible to use the sd Card to record the main out while using the Daw? I read somewhere were thats no possible. 
what  I would of loved to have done was get the Mackie and spend a few dollars more and get the Gaia too. but stability and sound quality are a must, So I have a few weeks the decide as I have 30 days to return or exchange which I just might return for the heck of it and try the Vs out myself..  what problems I have....  

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    windsurfer25x
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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 19:42:52 (permalink)
    I have a VS100 and love it. I've never tried routing the main outs to the SD card, I don't think you could though unless you hadn't plugged in the USB cord and were using another interface. 

    For me it works awesome, I occasionally am recording on site so I just bring it with a mic etc.. Great drivers, I use it as a control surface as well.  And the onboard pres are not the same as the Roland Octa-capture / V-Studio 700.. but they're still decent


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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 20:04:12 (permalink)
    Thanks Windsurfer..

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 20:19:18 (permalink)
    Is the ability to use the unit as a standalone recorder the only thing you would gain with the VS over the Octa? I have been looking at them too and I noticed that Roland touts the low latency and speed of the Octa in a way that they don't with the VS-100 and it makes me think the return trip latency is better on the Octa, and if it has better mic preamps, that would matter, I would think. I don't that many inputs either. I guess having the fader on the VS would be a plus.
    I'll be reading the answers to this OP with interest.
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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 20:48:20 (permalink)
    The Sd card would be a nice addition if I could of used it to record the main Outs . Weird that you can't , But not a deciding factor , I dont think..Also the fact that I'm sure ACT will work 100% better , And of course the fader is making me think I would use the VS more so than My Octo..  

     Now After reading this just makes me Thinks Again about the blackjack..And knowing there releasing new drivers soon..http://www.harmonycentral.com/docs/DOC-1621

    For $150.00 I think Im going to just get this at Sam Ash Tomorrow and Compare the Octo against it. 


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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 21:16:37 (permalink)
    I like the them both for different reasons.  For you since you are only doing one input I think the choice for the VS-100 would be simple.  Not only do you get the in/outs you want but a controller too.  The nice thing about the octo is it has automatic input and sets your levels perfectly. Not a big deal but I have recorded some of my finer tracks with the auto setting.
    I was curious what you meant by Main outs.  Of Sonar or the Vs-100? Because you can record the main outs of the VS-100 to the card. But not the main outs of Sonar because of the settings you have to change when using it stand-alone vs as a controller/interface.  I originally got the VS-100 for everything it could do for me.  Then I got the Octo to expand my outs on the VS-700 to fit a very wealthy client. He paid for it!!!  And loved the way the two worked together.
    Hope this helps. 



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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 21:33:53 (permalink)
    John,
     
    I could've written that first post... I, too, was torn between the VS-100 and Octa-Capture - determined to stick with Roland, especially knowing about Sonar's "pickiness" toward drivers.
     
    I was leaning toward the Octa (because of the better pres).  Then, while reading about some less expensive interfaces, came across really nice reviews for the TC Electronic Konnekt 6... Found a retailer on Ebay selling them for $150 ($50 off normal street price), so I made up my mind right then and ordered.  (I'll have it tomorrow).
     
    I also was tempted by the Mackie unit, but I have not been impressed with them since they abandoned Tracktion and their Onyx FW 400/800 interfaces, and I feel like any interface you get from them could be discontinued at any moment.  Have not heard good things about their support staff either.  (This wasn't always the case.  Under Greg Mackie, they used to be a great company). 
     
    Back to the Konnekt 6:  Like yourself, I feel like $150 isn't too bad a risk for getting a small, quality interface.  After I've had some time with it, I'll post about my experiences with this unit and Sonar.  If you have time, please do the same with the Blackbird. 
     

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 21:37:11 (permalink)
    I was referring to the main outs what you hear.  So basically the VS is an Amp and a sound card , Your able to record what signal goes to the amp, such as a mic guitar ect, But when its used as a sound card via USB, you can't record to the SD card. Thanks Laney . 

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/04 21:43:12 (permalink)
    Thanks JonD I will let you know my findings about the blackjack if I pick it up tomorrow .. I also looked at the Lexicon ionx but don't know much about it with sonar.

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/05 01:47:19 (permalink)
    The Konnect series has stellar sound.  Drivers good these days, tho not the lowest latency around.

    I haven't heard the octo but had the vs-100/700 each for a while.  I'd have to give the konnect a nod for sound, but not enough to make a big difference.  the vs100 is so much more than an interface (by the way, it worked fine w/ SONAR on an old dual core).  Controller - the fader is cool.  The internal effects ain't much, but the ability to record to SD is another cool factor.  W/ the vs, you'll find uses for it you didn't buy it for.

    Mackie stuff I haven't used.  But I have a producer friend that uses one of the onyx 4 channel fw units at home.  It sounds pretty good.  Can't say anything about the drivers other than they work when I've mixed for her and haven't heard her **** about them.

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/05 02:55:54 (permalink)
    Just grab a secondhand frontier Alphatrack and call it aday. Those 8 preamps WILL come in handy.

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/05 09:49:32 (permalink)
    Again, I'd vouch for the VS 100!

    Until I got it, I didn't really think much about control surfaces... I'm more of a keyboard and mouse kind of a guy (use to be an avid PC gamer) and even knowing a bunch of shortcuts I really like using the control surface on it.

    At first I was kind of annoyed that they included RCA ins and outs on it, but I've actually used it to record audio directly off my computer (like a sound from a youtube video)... 

    The unit feels solid, built well (Roland of course!)

    the motorized fader is cool, I've used it more than a few times to record automation... and with the drivers I can go down to 48 samples, I can play most things stably at 64 samples though. Get under 8ms RTL,

    Many of us here have invested lots in our studios... myself being no different, I would definitely say in terms of dollars in, and value out, the Vstudio 100 was definitely worth it! I use it daily as an interface and control surface! And occasionally as an on site digital recorder 


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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/08 10:15:48 (permalink)
    For anyone interested in the Octa-Capture but doesn't want to put out the bucks.  Roland has released other versions of the "Capture" - Quad-, Tri- and Dual-Capture.

    http://www.rolandus.com/products/productlist.php?ParentId=104

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/08 10:24:32 (permalink)
    The TRi- and dual Capture has pretty low Specs, Entry level interface imo,, But a world of difference over an on board and SB cards. 

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 15:00:51 (permalink)
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    The TRi- and dual Capture has pretty low Specs, Entry level interface imo,, But a world of difference over an on board and SB cards. 


    Agreed, the tri and dual capture specs are low compared to the quad- and octa-.  I think the idea behind Roland putting out the tri- and dual- is to capture the part of the market that aren't looking to spend lots of money and still have some versatility.  Although, the quad-capture is well within reach @ $269 and I wouldn't go below that myself.

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 18:02:45 (permalink)
    It would be good if people like djjhart decided what unit they wanted before buying it. That way they wouldn't feel the need to use their purchase as a trial period befroe returning it to the store to buy/trial something else.

    About 1/3 of all my hardware that I have bought new has obviously been used before me by people like djjhart. For little trinkets that's OK but when it's a new Kurzweil PC3x or Roland V-Synth GT it's bloody annoying.
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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 18:10:46 (permalink)
    Recent Octa-Capture buyer here...,  Wating for delivery on 04/18/11 

    Peace !

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 18:17:59 (permalink)
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    It would be good if people like djjhart decided what unit they wanted before buying it. That way they wouldn't feel the need to use their purchase as a trial period befroe returning it to the store to buy/trial something else.

    About 1/3 of all my hardware that I have bought new has obviously been used before me by people like djjhart. For little trinkets that's OK but when it's a new Kurzweil PC3x or Roland V-Synth GT it's bloody annoying.



    HUH! Im glad companies offer 30 day money back no hassle return..  Your Post would of been better not posted.. I'm taking it as a direct insult.. Game On MFer..

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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 18:22:03 (permalink)
    BTW- why isn't this posted in the hardware section?

    Take my comment as in insult if you wish- I don't care .





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    Re:Roland Octo-Capture Vs VS-100 2011/04/16 18:33:34 (permalink)
    You can contact Cakewalk. as to the incorrect area of the post..  or just mind your business , Its better not to lash out at people/insult them.

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