spacey
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I'll never understand....
and probably should be glad I won't.
I know as a kid I was puzzled when all the
dogs turned on the one that was hurt.
This page demonstrates all to clear to me, as
many just like it have, in the years I've been here-
that people prefer to participate and read
more when the thread is heated. And it doesn't
even have to be important. If it's fighting it's of
more interest than most any other topic. Maybe
it's just my view but the numbers of hits and participation
support my view...as I see it.
I know I have the right, as others have, to state
what I think or feel but when one chooses to- one
should realize that they are probably putting
their self in the line of fire- a fire that seems to be
highly attractive.
Just feeling disgusted. Yeah I know I don't have
to stay here and subject myself to it but there
are a few people that I enjoy visiting with here-
but the scales one uses to make decisions can be
tipped...and what a shame comes to mind.
Well I got it off my chest....and I know it doesn't
change a thing or how I feel.
One can't change the nature of people but one
can change how they feel. I feel a change comin' on.
Do I hit "post"? Hell yeah...I think that with every
one I've made lately so why not?
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 09:43:55
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 10:15:26
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Hi Spacey,
I've always appreciated the fact that you are a deeply sensitive person, a true artist, and a person of deeply ingrained honor.
I hope you can continue to just ignore the things you find distasteful.
all the very best,
mike
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 10:54:21
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I hear ya, Michael.
The last thing we need is to have the Coffee House removed again. The last time they did that it removed the CH posts from everyone's post counts. Bapu would be back to being a Bronze Member!!
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 11:08:10
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dlogan
I hear ya, Michael.
The last thing we need is to have the Coffee House removed again. The last time they did that it removed the CH posts from everyone's post counts. Bapu would be back to being a Bronze Member!!
No matter. Willy has done that to me before. 
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 11:40:16
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Michael,
I value your "netship" (friendship over the net - I just made that up!). and if I have been the cause of your dismay in the recent thread about the songs forum (and even others) then I sincerely apologize.
I am not as big as I think I am sometimes and I need to step back and remember my roots just like Katie has reminded me.
My sincere apologies to you and to anyone else I may have offended.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 11:51:42
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Drama is exciting. Good stuff is normally boring.
Think about the evening news. No one tunes in for a story about unicorns and rainbows (well maybe for unicorns). It's always about all the bad stuff.
Worse, this has been shown to effect some peopel that think with thier heart instead of their head. For example, many parents worry a lot about their kids being abducted by strangers even though they have a better chance of being struck by lightening. Thus they keep the kids inside, the kid gets fat, develops diabetes and has a lot of health problems.
Or think about music, how once you go to Am how exicting stuff starts to get. People crave the drama and tension.
Yes most people want everything to work out in the end (romcom) but they want the ride to be exciting (as long as it's not their own life).
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:06:15
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Beagle
I am not as big as I think I am I'd been meaning to ask you about how your diet was going!?
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:08:56
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dlogan
Beagle
I am not as big as I think I am I'd been meaning to ask you about how your diet was going!?
haha! I am currently tempted by Ginger Brown cinnamon rolls in the cubicle across from me (and the smell of sugar and cinnamon permeating every inch of our room!), but I have currently lost a total of 55 pounds. the last 5 pounds have been very difficult for me to get off, but I think I'm gaining momentum again! thanks for asking1
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:39:19
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spacey
This page demonstrates all to clear to me, as
many just like it have, in the years I've been here-
that people prefer to participate and read
more when the thread is heated. And it doesn't
even have to be important. If it's fighting it's of
more interest than most any other topic. Maybe
it's just my view but the numbers of hits and participation
support my view...as I see it.
It's funny. At first I was going to disagree with you on this point, and say I didn't notice that at all. But then it occurred to me that I tend to abandon threads in short order when they start getting ugly. If I participated and feel I've made my points (and they're either accepted or not), I'd rather move on than beat it death in a back and forth that benefits no one. I would suggest that if we, as individuals, don't "participate and read more", then we won't as a group.
 In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:44:12
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drewfx1
I would suggest that if we, as individuals, don't "participate and read more", then we won't as a group. +(drewfx)1
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:47:26
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spacey
...people prefer to participate and read
more when the thread is heated. And it doesn't
even have to be important. If it's fighting it's of
more interest than most any other topic. Maybe
it's just my view but the numbers of hits and participation
support my view...as I see it....
It's like "Rubbernecking" but digitally. People tend to Rubberneck an accident - they're not going to get involve, but they look. Human nature I suppose. Not the best of human nature, but human nature.
post edited by Katie_Katie - 2011/04/06 12:53:01
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 12:56:18
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I had a reply that amused me, but, in a rare and very uncharacteristic display of self-editing, I opted not to post it.
You're welcome.
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spacey
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:01:38
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I'm not pointing a finger at any one person.
And I think "netship" is very cool Reece.
I wish I could find humor in it Drew but today
it has become a real threat to me.
I not only find that the display of humane nature
in support of "drama" or "nightly bad news" being
a morally sickening state for so many but also
the fact that those that I know, know better, still
feed them.
If more conducted themselves as you Drew, then
maybe it wouldn't be so.
All these years I've thought that musicians were a
special breed. Smarter than normal and having a
different outlook than most...in a way that was more
with feeling....a sense of how others felt, in a good way.
They cared more and tried to support each other....I was
wrong.
I've simply been hit with the fact that they are not.
They demonstrate the exact same actions of the dogs
that attack the hurt one. I didn't understand it when
I was young and I still don't. All I know is that it is something
I don't want to understand and now I'm either going
to learn how to be blind to it or get it out of my life, because
frankly I think it's sickening.
Today I'm not proud to tell others that I'm a musician.
I don't feel a need to apologize for stating how I feel...because
each of you know where you stand and I'm sure not taking
notes on you.....but I'm sure taking a look at myself and
the type of people I want to communicate with.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:03:52
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Katie_Katie
spacey
...people prefer to participate and read
more when the thread is heated. And it doesn't
even have to be important. If it's fighting it's of
more interest than most any other topic. Maybe
it's just my view but the numbers of hits and participation
support my view...as I see it....
It's like "Rubbernecking" but digitally. People tend to Rubberneck an accident - they're not going to get involve, but they look. Human nature I suppose. Not the best of human nature, but human nature.
Sorry Katie, I don't agree. They are participating....pages and pages.... I'm certainly glad you don't see it though. And really, I've said all I care to about this.
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Katie_Katie
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:22:40
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Well....first, I'm not Janet. Similar, but our names require different keys on the keyboard.
Second. I hope that whatever caused you to feel this way does not continue. Observationally, from you post, I hope you get your head to a better place. And hope your posting was cathartic enough to help you find that place.
Good luck to you.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:29:10
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spacey
I'm not pointing a finger at any one person.
And I think "netship" is very cool Reece.
I wish I could find humor in it Drew but today
it has become a real threat to me.
I not only find that the display of humane nature
in support of "drama" or "nightly bad news" being
a morally sickening state for so many but also
the fact that those that I know, know better, still
feed them.
If more conducted themselves as you Drew, then
maybe it wouldn't be so.
All these years I've thought that musicians were a
special breed. Smarter than normal and having a
different outlook than most...in a way that was more
with feeling....a sense of how others felt, in a good way.
They cared more and tried to support each other....I was
wrong.
I've simply been hit with the fact that they are not.
They demonstrate the exact same actions of the dogs
that attack the hurt one. I didn't understand it when
I was young and I still don't. All I know is that it is something
I don't want to understand and now I'm either going
to learn how to be blind to it or get it out of my life, because
frankly I think it's sickening.
Today I'm not proud to tell others that I'm a musician.
I don't feel a need to apologize for stating how I feel...because
each of you know where you stand and I'm sure not taking
notes on you.....but I'm sure taking a look at myself and
the type of people I want to communicate with.
I will only say that one of my philosophies of life is that, if you go looking for darkness and despair in the world you will surely find it. But if you go looking for hope and beauty, you will surely find that too.
In order, then, to discover the limit of deepest tones, it is necessary not only to produce very violent agitations in the air but to give these the form of simple pendular vibrations. - Hermann von Helmholtz, predicting the role of the electric bassist in 1877.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:38:26
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drewfx1
I will only say that one of my philosophies of life is that, if you go looking for darkness and despair in the world you will surely find it. But if you go looking for hope and beauty, you will surely find that too.
eloquently put.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 13:58:53
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 14:16:51
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Hey Spacey:
I think your words are really close to what I was trying to say in the 'Clarissa' thread.
I wish I said it as eloquently as you.
but I'm proud to say I'm a musician; You know why?
cause you are one.
(and I really liked 'Never California'; good stuff dude)
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 14:29:15
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spacey
This page demonstrates all to clear to me, as
many just like it have, in the years I've been here-
that people prefer to participate and read
more when the thread is heated.
I don't think that's true Michael. Sure, when there's an argument, people will hold forth, back into corners, play tennis with semantics, that's human nature. In my experience the threads that get the most attention are the funny ones. Check out the 'crap jokes' thread, it's an epic.  Personally I thought the most interesting thread lately was Danny's 'listening as a common person' one. Some fascinating views from all kinds of people on that one. It ain't all doom and gloom, but it can be if you see it that way.
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spacey
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 14:41:07
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Katie_Katie
Well....first, I'm not Janet. Similar, but our names require different keys on the keyboard.
Second. I hope that whatever caused you to feel this way does not continue. Observationally, from you post, I hope you get your head to a better place. And hope your posting was cathartic enough to help you find that place.
Good luck to you.
Katie, of course you're not. Sorry. My head is fine and in a very good place. Recognizing the sickening traits of so many and the support given by others for them to continue with their BS is blatantly obvious. It would be wild if it turned out to be a mental issue of mine but presently....nope. Not my BS. And Drew you sure don't have to be looking for it to find it here. Two big fine examples on this page alone. And we probably each have our "own world" and probably don't witness or read what we do here. I know for a fact that I don't until I come here. Well I really didn't want to continue with this but I don't want to be rude and not reply. Especially since tomorrow I'll probably just ignore it as in the past....although I have pointed this out one time before...I wasn't so bothered about it then. Just hit a nerve today....time will evaluate the damage done.
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spacey
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 14:44:28
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Tom, thank you. And I know
to thank you all. Even if you don't
see what I see or believe I'm seeing
it wrong, I know you're replies are
well meant.....so far....now I'm gun shy
and you know why....don't cha.?
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 14:57:19
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All these years I've thought that musicians were a
special breed.
Nope people are people. Some good, some bad. And most people a combination of the two.
Today I'm not proud to tell others that I'm a musician.
I don't see how that follows. So musicians are people, and a love of music doesn't magically make you perfect. So what... I'm proud I'm a musician because I'm proud of what I do. It doesn't have anything to do with what other people do. If Brittany Spears acts like an A** should I no longer be proud? Or conversly if a bunch of other musicians donate to help Japan or Hati etc, if I didn't donate what does that do with me? We each stand on our own two feet, based on our own accomplishments. Finally, a personal comment. My family likes to discuss loudly. We wave our arms around a bunch and really get into it. When my future wife first came over, she asked me when we left why we were all fighting. But we weren't fighting, it was just how we are. But coming from her background, it was a big adjustment. A feisty discussion doesn't necessarily make the particpants bad (although I have seen some behaviour I thought went too far) but by and large, this seems like a pretty cool place, filled with cool people willing to help each other make better music. The world is what it is, and people are what they are. The only thing we can control is how we react. I "usually" choose to maintain a sunny dispostion most of the time (often even when discussing loudly) . And I "usually" choose not to let other people get under my skin (at least not for long). Yes there are times where things get away from us. But on the whole I've found that this method of dealing with stuff has helped me through some rough times. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is don't let it get you down ;)
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:00:12
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spacey
Tom, thank you. And I know
to thank you all. Even if you don't
see what I see or believe I'm seeing
it wrong, I know you're replies are
well meant.....so far....now I'm gun shy
and you know why....don't cha.?
Oh I see it. I know I instigate a bunch of it. It's just my nature. You aren't crazy. I just hope you'll continue to put up with some of your crazier artists friends. all the best, mike
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:03:17
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I wonder if I should -1 my own posts for rambling...
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spacey
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:18:13
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spacey
Tom, thank you. And I know
to thank you all. Even if you don't
see what I see or believe I'm seeing
it wrong, I know you're replies are
well meant.....so far....now I'm gun shy
and you know why....don't cha.?
Oh I see it.
I know I instigate a bunch of it.
It's just my nature.
You aren't crazy.
I just hope you'll continue to put up with some of your crazier artists friends.
all the best,
mike
Maybe, "when in Rome"? Mike. That may be the solution I need. Mathew I can understand your intentions and they're cool. I can imagine your family and it's seems very normal to me. And of course you're right that we are all individuals and conduct ourselves uniquely but you must agree that you do and say stuff with your family or when alone that you wouldn't do or say in a public place....would you? Although we may be individuals I feel we are also recognized as a "group". A group of people with special talents that we've spent a great deal of time trying to improve on. Maybe I expect that that caliber of personality it takes to be a student of the arts would at least put forth an effort to conduct themselves with more morals while being hidden behind the "protection of the internet". We know there are many things said here solely due to that barrier. That is the shame, in my way of seeing us, that needs to be eliminated. I babble too. Thats why my years are almost greater than my post count.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:22:22
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I guess it comes down to why do you come here. Hopefully, to learn. To laugh. To help. To bond. That's why I come here. I find each of those verbs filled in abundance. Some come to dominate. To fight. To brag. I find it easy to ignore that (most of the time, anyway). Would be a shame to let it run you away, or cause a moment of negativity, as the positives ar outweigh the negatives, imo.
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:23:54
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say stuff
with your family or when alone that you wouldn't do or say in a public
place....would you?
Sometimes, lol. Then again my mouth has gotten me in trouble over the years (although I've tried to tame it). And I do try and tone things down when first getting to know people Most are never ready the pure stuff ! I used to joke with my wife that she has an especially high Mathew tollerance (or maybe that wasn't a joke)
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Re:I'll never understand....
2011/04/06 15:28:55
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MNorman
I guess it comes down to why do you come here. Hopefully, to learn. To laugh. To help. To bond. That's why I come here. I find each of those verbs filled in abundance. Some come to dominate. To fight. To brag. I find it easy to ignore that (most of the time, anyway). Would be a shame to let it run you away, or cause a moment of negativity, as the positives ar outweigh the negatives, imo.
That's where I'm off.....I let it it turn on me. You're absolutely correct. Maybe it's the way you said it...maybe it was said before but that is what I needed to hear. The truth. Thank you Mr. Norman. Michael
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