chaunceyc
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Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
Since I'm increasingly having to live in the 8.5 due to problems with X1, the huge differences between the way they operate is driving me batty. Since the dawn of time, ALT-F4 could reliably shut down an entire program, and CTRL-F4 would shut down sub-windows of a program. In 8.5, that meant you could close your console view or PRV with a simple CTRL+F4. To completely close Sonar, you used ALT+F4, like 99.9% of the programs out there. X1 decided to reverse this for some reason. If you have a floating Softsynth window open, you now use ALT+F4 (???) to close that subwindow, because if you hit CTRL+F4, Sonar assumes you want to close the project. However, if you don't have a softsynth window open, CTRL+F4 will shutdown the project and leave you in Sonar, whereas ALT+F4 will close down Sonar if you don't have a softsynth window open. Could we get this standardized again? CTRL+F4 should ALWAYS close down the active subwindow, be it soft synth or project, ALT+F4 should always shut down Sonar.
post edited by chaunceyc - 2011/04/07 11:09:02
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 05:11:44
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That sure is a very annoying and meaningless change. What on earth is the point?????
I'm grinning more day after day because I don't have X1 and never will have :o)
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 05:42:14
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Agreed. Please stick to standards.
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 11:26:08
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Hmmm... strange, but the standard shortcuts are working here... Windows Vista 32-bit, SONAR X1b. Ctrl+F4 shuts floating windows. Alt+F4 shuts SONAR. Do you have anything assigned to those shortcuts on the Key Bindings inside SONAR? I don't. Maybe that's why? Scott -- Scott R. Garrigus * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar and Sony Sound Forge Power book series: http://www.garrigus.com/ * Author of the Cakewalk Sonar ProAudioTutor video tutorial series: http://www.proaudiotutor.com/ * Publisher of the DigiFreq free music technology newsletter: http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/ * Publisher of the NewTechReview free consumer technology newsletter: http://www.newtechreview.com/newtechreview/
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chaunceyc
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 11:41:56
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Scott,
Nope, I don't have anything assigned.
The most recreatable issue is to have a project open and open a softsynth's UI in a floating window. I want to close that floating active window only. If I hit CTRL+F4 and have unsaved changes it asks if I want to save and then closes down the project, but I noticed that if I let it do that does leave Sonar Open. CTRL+F4 should simply close the active window. Instead ALT-F4 is the one that closes it. CTRL-F4 is working beyond its normal powers--effectively closing ALL subwindows in this context. The "big gun" ALT-F4 is being used incorrectly in Sonar to close a sub-subwindow, so ALT-F4 is working in two completely different ways, depending on context.
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 11:54:13
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Hmmm... strange, but the standard shortcuts are working here... Windows Vista 32-bit, SONAR X1b. Ctrl+F4 shuts floating windows. Alt+F4 shuts SONAR.
FWIW, it's working conventionally here with X1b244 x64 on Win7 as well.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 12:14:50
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Works here as normal on my x64 all round set up (win 7) and on my laptop which is x32 all round (win 7).
Is there any steps to reproduce it or is it like that for every project?
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 14:03:13
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Its not backwards. In Windows ALT-F4 is the shortcut to close floating windows. Look at the system menu for a floating window and you will see that ALT-F4 is listed there as the shortcut for close. Now switch to not floating and the shortcut will change to CTRL-F4.
SONAR 8.5 does exactly the same thing.
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 14:04:49
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Another myth dispelled........
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Qwerty69
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/07 17:44:11
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Ummm... not in Excel or Word - CTRL-F4 closes a floating window in those and ALT-F4 closes the app whether a window is floating or not.
But I could well believe MS aren't following their own pre-defined standards.
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/08 07:34:30
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I thought that Alt+F4 & Ctrl+F4 was entirely controlled by Windows itself and developers had no influence over it?
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/08 08:10:52
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"Another myth dispelled........ " Really? In Windows "Control Panel":
" Look at the system menu for a floating window and you will see that ALT-F4 is listed there as the shortcut for close."
a floating window is closed by ALT-F4
"Now switch to not floating and the shortcut will change to CTRL-F4"
and a maximized window is closed by ALT-F4 as per looking at the system menu and confirming by test. In Windows "My Computer":
" Look at the system menu for a floating window and you will see that ALT-F4 is listed there as the shortcut for close."
a floating window is closed by ALT-F4
"Now switch to not floating and the shortcut will change to CTRL-F4"
and a maximized window is closed by ALT-F4 as per looking at the system menu and confirming by test. In Windows "Display":
" Look at the system menu for a floating window and you will see that ALT-F4 is listed there as the shortcut for close."
a floating window is closed by ALT-F4
"Now switch to not floating and the shortcut will change to CTRL-F4"
and a maximized window is closed by ALT-F4 as per looking at the system menu and confirming by test. I don't have MS office but In Open Office ALT-F4 closes the app.
CTRL-F4 closes a document in the app and CTRL-F4 closes the app if there is no document open regardless of whether the app is maximized or floating.
In Adobe Photoshop: Floating application: ALT-F4 closes application
Maximized non floating application: ALT-F4 closes application
Work/project window within Application: CTRL-F4 close work window regardless of whether it is floating, maximized/fill screen or docked.
CTRL-F$ only works on floating windows and has no effect on the application.
Floating work window within Application right after focusing on work window: ALT-F4 close work window... but make sure you are focused otherwise you'll close the application by mistake.
Win 7 64bit Home Edition. Should I submit a problem report or are we good?
post edited by mike_mccue - 2011/04/08 08:14:13
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FastBikerBoy
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/08 10:15:55
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So is Sonar the complete opposite to Windows then?
I can't say I've noticed.
I'm probably too busy making my music racket.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Why did X1 abandon/reverse Windows commands?
2011/04/08 10:22:12
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I don't know the answer to your question.
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