manual de-essing

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2011/04/09 07:25:02 (permalink)

manual de-essing

I read this article about Jochem van der Saag mixing in the box: http://www.soundonsound.c...9/articles/it_0409.htm

He explains that he doesn't use a de-esser, but manually reduces sharp sounds. Here's a picture of one vocal track: http://www.soundonsound.c...9/images/IT_Apr_05.jpg

The white bars on the vocals track show the manual de-essing. My question is, how this was done in Cubase? It doesn't look like a volume automation, since this is seen on the track below. And more important question, how to do this kind of de-essing in Sonar X1?

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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:manual de-essing 2011/04/09 07:46:57 (permalink)
    It appears he set up a side chain and an very detailed automation lane with some sort of level envelope in the second track.

    I don't think that GUI shows enough info on that screen shot for a thorough explanation of the routing.

    Look at all the wasted space in the track headers... it could have all the info you need to see... but it looks like Steinberg copied SONAR X1 and punted some of the valuable info in exchange for big patches of color.

    Good Luck.

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    Re:manual de-essing 2011/04/09 17:52:26 (permalink)
    In the article he says "The vertical white lines that are drawn directly on the vocal waveform are for de-essing." In other words: the automation lanes below the waveform are not related to the deessing, only the white lines super-imposed over the waveform.
     
    I've used this process quite a lot and it is really simple to do (you don't need any special routings, side chains, or compressors). Create a track or clip volume envelope for the vocal recording you want to deess. Zoom in on an area in the waveform that contains the "ess" you want to minimize. Create a couple of volume nodes immediately before and after the "ess" sounds (be sure to include only the tiny piece of the waveform that contains the "ess". Zoom-in more if necessary.)  Create a dip in the volume envelope of a few db and listen to the vocal passage that contains the "ess". Adjust the location of the nodes and the dept of the volume dip until it sounds good to you. That's it!
     
     

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    Re:manual de-essing 2011/04/09 19:34:21 (permalink)
    Imogene Heap talked about the same approach on her last CD. Draw down the Ss, Ts and Fs. Simple volume automation on key consonants. Dave Pensado talks about them as well. He can recognize the Ss just by looking at the wave file. Just a small fader movement to counter any splosives. It helps even out follow on compressor action giving you a smoother vocal.

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    Re:manual de-essing 2011/04/09 22:56:06 (permalink)
    There is an interesting article in the Febuary issue of Sound on Sound. It talks about editing. There is one step that is better than even applying envelopes etc to tracks and that is and I have been saying this many times now that you get yourself an editing program. I use Adobe Audition. You open tracks up one by one in this software and manually fix everything you see right there. No DAW's really contain proper editing programs and they are also nowhere as fast as a proper editing program. It does not take long to fix many problems in a track. 

    Some of the best engineers say this is the ONLY way to do it. Properly. Of course you clone the original so you can always go back. So much can be done in this editing phase. Then no envelopes are required. It is much faster too. And while you are there you can bring softer vocal phrases for example up a bit and louder ones down a bit. Then the compressor you ultimately put on that track is having a relaxed time and not having to respond to things that are way out of line. You are actually fixing things before you apply any processing and as a result it all sounds better.

    A bit of pre editing on individual tracks goes a long way to a much better mix later on.

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    Re:manual de-essing 2011/04/09 23:48:16 (permalink)
    I saw this in the Groove3 "Mixing Rock" video with Kenny Goia (very informative). He was using Pro Tools and has a "Trim" setting to use instead of Volume envelope. In Sonar I used the Volume envelope, as far as I can tell the Gain slider can't be automated.  Create a volume envelope and zoom in a little on the waveform. The s and f sounds stand out because of the high frequency density waveforms. It was pretty easy to do with the smart tool. Most probably know this, but you can highlight the area (mouse pointer is vertical line or maybe it's more like a big "I"shape) with the s sound then move the smart tool/mouse pointer thingy until it changes to the cross looking move tool and adjust there as needed. I did this on a song this week and it worked well and didn't take a much time as I thought it would.

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