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Snap ? not that snappy .....
In Sonar 8.5 we used to be able to adjust differnt snap for piano roll and track view ... I tried this in X1 but didn't succed ...the snap on pianoroll concerns drawing not moving , while moving is affected by the general snap (witch is set for me on bars ) as i use it for song struture .... So is there a way to have snap for structure : bars , snap for drawing 1/16, and snap for moving in the piano roll view 1/16 (double croche) .... Right now if i want that i have to contatly change the snap according to what view i use ...
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 08:22:51
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The snap setting is global and you can’t have different settings for different views as default. There’s one way around this though, I think. If you download and install Sonar Plus I think there's settings in there for changing this.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 08:25:26
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ok so if i understand sonar plus is the real patch to apply ;) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 08:28:20
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Also, Fast Biker Boy is aware of and sharing a method of setting up multiple snap settings by using screen sets and a quick aud.ini edit. You can find some posts about that here on the forum or look up FastBikerBoy. Good luck. best regards, mike
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 08:31:15
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ok so if i understand sonar plus is the real patch to apply ;) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I guess so :) I’m not using it myself but I’ve seen lots of folk that seem happy with it :) Here's a link with more info: http://www.sonarplus.co.uk
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2011/04/10 08:38:03
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Mike you're a fool cause i was excatly thinking right now trying to find a work around via screen sets .... Danke ! Thank you! Merci ! Gracias ......
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 08:44:50
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Crazy huh? I don't even use them myself... but FastBikerBoy has a clever and well thought out solution. Happy to help! :-)
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2011/04/10 08:48:57
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The good thing about X1 is that it's getting so much on my nerve that i never made such hardcore track like i do right now !! Will give publishing to Cakewalk /////
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 09:11:35
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Screen sets are great. I just wish they were faster.. Especially if you want to use them for a small thing as changing snap value it just takes too long before the new screen set is loaded.. =/ I wish there was some kind of filter to it.. Kind of like the Prefr.->MIDI->Playback and recording->Record window were you chose what is to be recorded and what’s to be filtered out.. But here, instead of MIDI, filtering out if you just want to make a small change in a setting (like snap value for example) or change the whole window layout.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 09:19:17
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yep ....in fact screensets are low when you combine a lot of stuff ...mine are really quick cause this more like views ... Main screen : only tracks and buses Prod screen : same as main with the explorer and inspector Take screen : when i record just the track zoome Console main : the consol with all Consol 2 : consol with tracks only (audio no midi) Consol 3 : Bus only ect .....
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 09:38:44
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Hi Zo. SONAR Plus does indeed give you the option of having separate snap settings in the PRV and TV. I can vouch for the screenset approach too, but as somebody already mentioned, I find switching screensets a little slow just for maintaining separate snap settings.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 10:04:45
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Thks Ben ...basically wating for being sure to keep X1 before applying Panup's abd your stuff ;) Thks !
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 12:19:11
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Screen sets are great. I just wish they were faster.. Try disabling your floppy disk controller, that will slow down screenset changes, even if you don't have a floppy. (Really, I'm not kidding) My set up is past it's prime. i.e. below CW's recommendations but swapping screensets for me is instant since disabling said floppy disk controller. To have screenset dependant snap settings you need to set a variable IncludeSnapInScreenet=1 in the ini file. Preferences->File->Initialization File You can copy the current screenset to a new one by pressing Ctl+ number key. For example set up a screenset and press Ctrl+0 copies it and switches you to screenset 10. You can then change the snap settings, and anything else you want and swap between the two views by pressing 1 or 0 accordingly. Of course you can have up to 10 different screensets if you want. If there's any delay after disabling your floppy controller it may be video card related, both my laptop and desktop change instantly, even while playing back and neither are what you'd call state of the art.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 15:38:04
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How do I disable the floppy controller? Can the floppy controller still be active even though I don't have a floppy drive in my computer? I replaced it with a memory card reader a long time ago.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/10 15:55:29
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Loptec How do I disable the floppy controller? Can the floppy controller still be active even though I don't have a floppy drive in my computer? in XP it's Control panel -> System -> Device manager... not sure what the equivalent flow in Win7 is. The controller is often switched on (meaning, with an active driver) even if you built your machine and installed your OS 5 years after the last floppy died. Worked like a charm for me anyway.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/11 01:48:46
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subtlearts Loptec How do I disable the floppy controller? Can the floppy controller still be active even though I don't have a floppy drive in my computer? in XP it's Control panel -> System -> Device manager... not sure what the equivalent flow in Win7 is. The controller is often switched on (meaning, with an active driver) even if you built your machine and installed your OS 5 years after the last floppy died. Worked like a charm for me anyway. Thanks for the reply subtlearts! I can't find the driver for the floppy driver in the device manager. But the floppy drive doesn't show up in the explorer either.. ...Ah! I just remember why! :) I always deactivates the floppy drive in bios when I buy a new motherboard! :) ..So I guess It's deactiveted then. Still, I think screen shots are a bit slow.. But I'll try and learn more about them. Maybe there's a way to make them switch faster. I'll check out FastBikerBoy's screenset-snap-guide as well and see what happens. :)
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/11 01:55:18
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subtlearts in XP it's Control panel -> System -> Device manager... not sure what the equivalent flow in Win7 is. The controller is often switched on (meaning, with an active driver) even if you built your machine and installed your OS 5 years after the last floppy died. Worked like a charm for me anyway. Thanks for the reply subtlearts! I can't find the driver for the floppy driver in the device manager. But the floppy drive doesn't show up in the explorer either.. ...Ah! I just remember why! :) I always deactivates the floppy drive in bios when I buy a new motherboard! :) ..So I guess It's deactiveted then. Still, I think screen shots are a bit slow.. But I'll try and learn more about them. Maybe there's a way to make them switch faster. I'll check out FastBikerBoy's screenset-snap-guide as well and see what happens. :) FastBikerBoy To have screenset dependant snap settings you need to set a variable IncludeSnapInScreenet=1 in the ini file. Preferences->File->Initialization File Is there any way of excluding things from screensets? Say for instance that you only want to use screensets for changing snap value. Can you exclude window layout by typing/changing something in the ini-file?
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/11 03:32:44
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FastBikerBoy To have screenset dependant snap settings you need to set a variable IncludeSnapInScreenet=1 in the ini file. Preferences->File->Initialization File Is there any way of excluding things from screensets? Say for instance that you only want to use screensets for changing snap value. Can you exclude window layout by typing/changing something in the ini-file?
Not that I'm aware of but then you don't really need to exclude anything either. If you don't want it there just don't use it. I think there's a lot of confusion about how screensets work. Think of them as different views of the same project in which you can have different settings if you wish. Once you've got them set up how you want them, you can lock them. That basically means if you make changes in a session those changes aren't 'saved' so you next switch back to that screenset it is as when you set it up, not how you last left it. Unlocked is the opposite so it will be as you last left it not which is not necessarily how you set it. For example you have a screenset in which you have a TV, a multidock with CV, PRV, and a soft synth interface open in it. That screenset is locked and you close the multidock. When you switch away from that screenset and then switch back to it the multidock will still be there - because the screenset is locked. Had it been unlocked it wouldn't have been. One of my wishes is that there is some sort of easy to see indicator on whether a screenset is locked or not. I have a keybinding to the lock/unlock toggle so I can choose on the fly whether a change I'm about to make is permanent or temporary. They are a very, very powerful concept and because of that it can take a while to wrap your head around their full potential. I use them in several ways including a Buss only Console View, a track Only Console view, a Track & Console View with Audio tracks only, A Track view with MIDI tracks only and PRV. A view I've set up for comping and several others. IMHO they are my favourite X1 feature that older versions didn't have. A sort of turbocharged layouts feature. For anyone who's interested or would like some ideas I posted some examples of mine HERE a while ago, although some of those have now evolved to beyond recognition.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/11 04:28:41
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I love em also FBB. Screensets are a gamechanger. Don't need multidock or anything else. Don't need all 10 necessarily. 1-4 well arranged and you've got everything you need right at your fingertips. Two thumbs up to Cakewalk for implementing screensets. They don't sound anywhere as awesome as they actually are. Give them a go all you folks who haven't got round to it yet.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/11 07:01:36
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yes ...my only wish is that they could be persistant , when you open a new project ....not a big issue as i make templates , but that option would be great (i don't think the lock current screenset option make it).....
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 02:41:48
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FastBikerBoy Not that I'm aware of but then you don't really need to exclude anything either. If you don't want it there just don't use it. I think there's a lot of confusion about how screensets work. Think of them as different views of the same project in which you can have different settings if you wish. Once you've got them set up how you want them, you can lock them. That basically means if you make changes in a session those changes aren't 'saved' so you next switch back to that screenset it is as when you set it up, not how you last left it. Unlocked is the opposite so it will be as you last left it not which is not necessarily how you set it. For example you have a screenset in which you have a TV, a multidock with CV, PRV, and a soft synth interface open in it. That screenset is locked and you close the multidock. When you switch away from that screenset and then switch back to it the multidock will still be there - because the screenset is locked. Had it been unlocked it wouldn't have been. One of my wishes is that there is some sort of easy to see indicator on whether a screenset is locked or not. I have a keybinding to the lock/unlock toggle so I can choose on the fly whether a change I'm about to make is permanent or temporary. They are a very, very powerful concept and because of that it can take a while to wrap your head around their full potential. I use them in several ways including a Buss only Console View, a track Only Console view, a Track & Console View with Audio tracks only, A Track view with MIDI tracks only and PRV. A view I've set up for comping and several others. IMHO they are my favourite X1 feature that older versions didn't have. A sort of turbocharged layouts feature. For anyone who's interested or would like some ideas I posted some examples of mine HERE a while ago, although some of those have now evolved to beyond recognition. I think I do understand the concept of screensets. But as I’ve said, I think they’re too slow. If you want to use them just to change snap value you want this change to happen so fast you won’t even notice it. This is why I asked about “excluding” window layout from it. Because if Sonar new from the start that “this screenset is set only to change a value and not the whole window layout”, finding this value without having to go through all possible screenset changes, I think, would make it work a lot faster. Or am I out biking here? (Swedish expression for being confused) ;)
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 03:11:10
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Ok. I've seen several people complain about slow screensets even though their floppy disk drive is disabled. I wonder whether there's something else going on on some systems, perhaps a graphics card issue? Or perhaps my definition of slow is different. On my systems, both laptop and desktop the switch isn't really that noticeable. Certainly less than a second but it seems a little more sluggish on my laptop, my desktop is almost instant.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 03:15:11
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y systems, b FastBikerBoy Ok. I've seen several people complain about slow screensets even though their floppy disk drive is disabled. I wonder whether there's something else going on on some systems, perhaps a graphics card issue? Or perhaps my definition of slow is different. On my systems, both laptop and desktop the switch isn't really that noticeable. Certainly less than a second but it seems a little more sluggish on my laptop, my desktop is almost instant. I think it's just different views of what’s slow. Less than a second is slow if you just want the snap time to change. I want it to happen as fast as when you change tools with the F-keys. :)
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 03:36:38
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It would be cool if SSets were instant. Like they are in Record for Reason with the F keys. It's been years since I used Logic but I remember they were pretty quick mapped to the numeric keypad also. I'm still happy to see them in Sonar, for a first draft I think the Cakewalk team did damn well.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 03:45:17
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Loptec y systems, b FastBikerBoy Ok. I've seen several people complain about slow screensets even though their floppy disk drive is disabled. I wonder whether there's something else going on on some systems, perhaps a graphics card issue? Or perhaps my definition of slow is different. On my systems, both laptop and desktop the switch isn't really that noticeable. Certainly less than a second but it seems a little more sluggish on my laptop, my desktop is almost instant. I think it's just different views of what’s slow. Less than a second is slow if you just want the snap time to change. I want it to happen as fast as when you change tools with the F-keys. :) I guess that's it then but they still change quicker than I can change the snap to manually, although on the desktop I don't think they are much slower than the F key tool changes. I'll check later when I get in the studio.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 04:21:23
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Update FYI: just checked my DAW (specs in sig). I think the F-key tool changes are what you would call more 'snappy' than screenset changes but I certainly couldn't measure the time difference. The difference is in msecs maybe 200 or 300 but certainly not what I'd call noticeable. They are definitely slower on my laptop but again not so slow as to be un-usable as some find.
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Re:Snap ? not that snappy .....
2011/04/12 17:29:01
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FastBikerBoy I guess that's it then but they still change quicker than I can change the snap to manually, although on the desktop I don't think they are much slower than the F key tool changes. I'll check later when I get in the studio. Update FYI: just checked my DAW (specs in sig). I think the F-key tool changes are what you would call more 'snappy' than screenset changes but I certainly couldn't measure the time difference. The difference is in msecs maybe 200 or 300 but certainly not what I'd call noticeable. They are definitely slower on my laptop but again not so slow as to be un-usable as some find. Yeah absolutely. It’s much fast than doing it manually. I’m not giving up hope on screensets.. But for now I’ve made keybindings for changing snap value instead. I used ctrl + the numpad keys. Since I’m left handed my right hand kind of hovers over there anyway.
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