Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl

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2011/04/12 11:18:48 (permalink)

Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 11:24:24 (permalink)
    I feel so bad for the people.  Clearly the Japanese Govt and news has kept the story under wraps, potentially at the risk of the population nearby.  

    4 cores exposed for a month - how could this not be a disaster.

    Now the worst is 


    Godzilla is likely to come out of this.  



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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 11:38:57 (permalink)
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    Now the worst is 


    A Godzilla movie is likely to come out of this.  


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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 11:48:11 (permalink)
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    Asparapuss is likely to come out of this.   

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:41:57 (permalink)

    before



    after


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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:46:16 (permalink)
    That's remarkable.  Did you see the way that log turned into a 7 story building?  Uncanny.
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:46:49 (permalink)
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    before



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    Pfft - it's just a bloke in a suit people 
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Godzilla's quite frightening though

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:48:43 (permalink)

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:49:49 (permalink)
    Guys in suits tend to frighten me.  Unless we're talking about swimsuits at Wal-Mart.  Then, it just makes me laugh.
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:50:26 (permalink)
     
    Spooky...
     
     
     
    I was just thinking that any second now Maurice is gonna show up and say you posted some pictures of his ex-wife
     
     
     

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 12:57:41 (permalink)
    OF course there are 4 generations of Gojira
    The original (before Raymond Burr was inserted into an otherwise Japanese movie)


    The stupid looking one



    The vicious one



    and that dumb lizard monster from the US version




    Though in writing this, I noticed that there were other, but more subtle, variations in Godzilla over the years.


    By the way, his son went on to become a hairdresser in Queens.  





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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 13:41:29 (permalink)


    The most terrifying version of them all.
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 13:47:22 (permalink)
    Scientists believe the amount of radiation released is only a tenth of what was released at Chernobyl, said Hidehiko Nishiyama, the chief spokesman for Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency. But the levels for radioactive iodine and cesium that have been spewed into the air, water and soil around the plant are in the thousands of trillions of bequerels -- 15 times higher than the threshold for a top-scale event, according to figures released by the safety agency Tuesday morning.

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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 14:14:08 (permalink)
    Food for thought - In the lower portions of this link illustrates the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt, Different currents, etc... 

    http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/DolphinAbyss.html
     
     
    a Russian publication, Chernobyl, concludes that 985,000 excess deaths occurred between 1986 and 2004 as a result of radioactive contamination.

    Read more: [link=http://www.answers.com/topic/chernobyl-disaster-1#ixzz1JKpToY4U]http://www.answers.com/to...saster-1#ixzz1JKpToY4U[/link]
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 14:39:29 (permalink)
    yep ... history shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men
    [edit] my bad, space-cowboy already posted a BOC themed video in post #8
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 14:47:12 (permalink)
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    The most terrifying version of them all.


    Now THAT's gonna' give me bad dreams.
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 15:05:15 (permalink)


    Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment:

     is a translation of a 2007 Russian publication by Alexey V. Yablokov, Vassily B. Nesterenko, and Alexey V. Nesterenko.

     It was published by the New York Academy of Sciences in 2009 in their Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences series.

    There is significant disagreement on the degree of long-term adverse impacts of the Chernobyl disaster, despite decades of environmental and heath effects research. The United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Atomic Radiation's 2005 estimate of about 4,000 Chernobyl deaths contrasts with this review of 5,000 mainly Slavic-language scientific papers the UNSCEAR overlooked. It found deaths approaching a million through 2004, nearly 170,000 of them in North America.

    The book has not been reviewed originally by the New York Academy of Sciences (according to a statement made by the NYAS to George Monbiot) and has been then reviewed in the Oxford Journal "Radiation Protection Dosimetry"  in February 2010.


    http://www.strahlentelex....20Chernobyl%20book.pdf



    http://www.answers.com/to...ironment#ixzz1JKxCFgpk




    Foreword
    More than 22 years have passed since the Chernobyl catastrophe burst upon and
    changed our world. In just a few days, the air, natural waters, flowers, trees, woods,
    rivers, and seas turned to potential sources of danger to people, as radioactive substances
    emitted by the destroyed reactor fell upon all life. Throughout the Northern Hemisphere
    radioactivity covered most living spaces and became a source of potential harm for all
    living things.
    Naturally, just after the failure, public response was very strong and demonstrated
    mistrust of atomic engineering. A number of countries decided to stop the construction
    of new nuclear power stations. The enormous expenses required to mitigate the negative
    consequences of Chernobyl at once “raised the price” of nuclear-generated electric power.
    This response disturbed the governments of many countries, international organizations,
    and official bodies in charge of nuclear technology and led to a paradoxical polarization
    as to how to address the issues of those injured by the Chernobyl catastrophe and the
    effects of chronic irradiation on the health of people living in contaminated areas.
    Owing to the polarization of the problem, instead of organizing an objective and
    comprehensive study of the radiological and radiobiological phenomena induced by
    small doses of radiation, anticipating possible negative consequences, and taking adequate
    measures, insofar as possible, to protect the population from possible negative effects,
    apologists of nuclear power began a blackout on data concerning the actual amounts of
    radioactive emissions, the doses of radiation, and the increasing morbidity among the
    people that were affected.
    When it became impossible to hide the obvious increase in radiation-related diseases,
    attempts were made to explain it away as being a result of nationwide fear. At the
    same time some concepts of modern radiobiology were suddenly revised. For example,
    contrary to elementary observations about the nature of the primary interactions of
    ionizing radiation and the molecular structure of cells, a campaign began to deny nonthreshold 
    radiation effects. On the basis of the effects of small doses of radiation in some
    nonhuman systems where hormesis was noted, some scientists began to insist that such
    doses from Chernobyl would actually benefit humans and all other living things.
    The apogee of this situation was reached in 2006 on the 20th anniversary of the
    Chernobyl meltdown. By that time the health and quality of life had decreased for
    millions of people. In April 2006 in Kiev, Ukraine, two international conferences were
    held in venues close to one another: one was convened by supporters of atomic energy
    and the other by a number of international organizations alarmed by the true state
    of health of those affected by the Chernobyl catastrophe. The decision of the first
    conference has not been accepted up to now because the Ukrainian party disagrees
    with its extremely optimistic positions. The second conference unanimously agreed that
    radioactive contamination of large areas is accompanied by distinctly negative health
    consequences for the populations and predicted increased risk of radiogenic diseases in
    European countries in the coming years.
    viiviii Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences
    For a long time I have thought that the time has come to put an end to the opposition
    between technocracy advocates and those who support objective scientific approaches
    to estimate the negative risks for people exposed to the Chernobyl fallout. The basis for
    believing that these risks are not minor is very convincing.
    Declassified documents of that time issued by Soviet Union/Ukraine governmental
    commissions in regard to the first decade after 1986 contain data on a number of
    people who were hospitalized with acute radiation sickness. The number is greater by
    two orders of magnitude than was recently quoted in official documents. How can we
    understand this difference in calculating the numbers of individuals who are ill as a
    result of irradiation? It is groundless to think that the doctors’ diagnoses were universally
    wrong. Many knew in the first 10-day period after the meltdown that diseases of the
    nasopharynx were widespread. We do not know the quantity or dose of hot particles that
    settled in the nasopharyngeal epithelium to cause this syndrome. They were probably
    higher than the accepted figures.
    To estimate doses of the Chernobyl catastrophe over the course of a year, it is critical to
    consider the irradiation contributed by ground and foliage fallout, which contaminated
    various forms of food with short-half-life radionuclides. Even in 1987 activity of some of
    the radionuclides exceeded the contamination by Cs-137 and Sr-90. Thus decisions to
    calculate dose only on the scale of Cs-137 radiation led to obvious underestimation of
    the actual accumulated effective doses. Internal radiation doses were defined on the basis
    of the activity in milk and potatoes for different areas. Thus in the Ukrainian Poles’e
    region, where mushrooms and other forest products make up a sizable share of the food
    consumed, the radioactivity was not considered.
    The biological efficiency of cytogenic effects varies depending on whether the radiation
    is external or internal: internal radiation causes greater damage, a fact also neglected.
    Thus, there is reason to believe that doses of irradiation have not been properly estimated,
    especially for the first year after the reactor’s failure. Data on the growth of morbidity
    over two decades after the catastrophe confirm this conclusion. First of all, there are
    very concrete data about malignant thyroid disease in children, so even supporters of
    “radiophobia” as the principal cause of disease do not deny it. With the passage of time,
    oncological diseases with longer latency periods, in particular, breast and lung cancers’,
    became more frequent.
    From year to year there has been an increase in nonmalignant diseases, which has raised
    the incidence of overall morbidity in children in areas affected by the catastrophe, and
    the percent of practically healthy children has continued to decrease. For example, in Kiev,
    Ukraine, where before the meltdown, up to 90% of children were considered healthy, the
    figure is now 20%. In some Ukrainian Poles’e territories, there are no healthy children,
    and morbidity has essentially increased for all age groups. The frequency of disease has
    increased several times since the accident at Chernobyl. Increased cardiovascular disease
    with increased frequency of heart attacks and ischemic disease are evident. Average
    life expectancy is accordingly reduced. Diseases of the central nervous system in both
    children and adults are cause for concern. The incidence of eye problems, particularly
    cataracts, has increased sharply. Causes for alarm are complications of pregnancy and the
    state of health of children born to so-called “liquidators” (Chernobyl’s cleanup workers)
    and evacuees from zones of high radionuclide contamination.
    Against the background of such persuasive data, some defenders of atomic energy
    look specious as they deny the obvious negative effects of radiation upon populations. 
    fact, their reactions include almost complete refusal to fund medical and biological studies, 
    even liquidating government bodies that were in charge of the “affairs of Chernobyl.”
    Under pressure from the nuclear lobby, officials have also diverted scientific personnel
    away from studying the problems caused by Chernobyl.
    Rapid progress in biology and medicine is a source of hope in finding ways to prevent
    many diseases caused by exposure to chronic nuclear radiation, and this research will
    advance much more quickly if it is carried out against the background of experience that
    Ukrainian, Belarussian, and Russian scientists and physicians gained after the Chernobyl
    catastrophe. It would be very wrong to neglect the opportunities that are open to us today.
    We must look toward the day that unbiased objectivity will win out and lead to unqualified
    support for efforts to determine the influence of the Chernobyl catastrophe on the health
    of people and biodiversity and shape our approach to future technological progress and
    general moral attitudes. We must hope and trust that this will happen.
    The present volume probably provides the largest and most complete collection of
    data concerning the negative consequences of Chernobyl on the health of people and
    on the environment. Information in this volume shows that these consequences do not
    decrease, but, in fact, are increasing and will continue to do so into the future. The main
    conclusion of the book is that it is impossible and wrong “to forget Chernobyl.” Over
    the next several future generations the health of people and of nature will continue to be
    adversely impacted.

    PROF. DR. BIOL. DIMITRO M. GRODZINSKY
    Chairman, Department of General Biology, Ukrainian National Academy of Sciences,
    Chairman, Ukrainian National Commission on Radiation Protection
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 15:10:54 (permalink)
    Sad.  Very, very sad.

    It could happen here.
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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 16:34:03 (permalink)
    I'm about 1 hour from the Diablo nuclear plant in CA (also built on a fault line of course).

    Anyway, I'm kind of two minds about this.  On one hand, this is a terrible disaster.  On the other, the plants actualyl handled the 9.0 earthquake very well (and these were the cheap desings).  If the dummies hadn't put all the backup generators on the ground floor, this probably would have been a non event.

    Moreover, I hear that the newer designs have some type of gravity water pump to keep the water flowing.


    All that being said, I think thorium reactors are probably the way to go.

    Even better of course would be a big investment in a national renwable energy grid. 

    I think some combination of this
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=a-solar-grand-plan
    plus wind and geothermal
    might be a good way to go.


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    Re:Japan ups nuke crisis severity to match Chernobyl 2011/04/12 22:40:25 (permalink)
    Im with you Mat on seperate thoughts on this.  What they couldnt have stopped regardless is the cracks caused by the earthquake that allowed the water that cools the rods to blow out into the ocean like an open fire hydrant. Hence my concerns with the global current/conveyor belt that brings all this around to the west coast than back around under the middle east to the east coast.  All the marine life effected and then what will make it to the tables seeing fish tend to accumulate this stuff.  Im going vegetarian and hope the dust dont make it here.  These wonderful experts say its not bad as Chernobyl but then they arent even taking into account that Chernobyl couldnt spread this mess like the situation we have now.
    It will get worse as predicted and god bless those souls there doing all they can to help. (I would be off the island if it were me and my family there, i wouldnt wait for anyone to tell me its time to go somewhere.) Safety first-live to fight another day. All I can think if it does spread worldwide thru these currents is the fact that radioactive decay takes ALOT more than our lifetime to degrade to a safe level regardless of how much they downplay this.


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