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Maybe natural for oil people to be
so slick. Last couple of evenings on the local news they've been reporting and talking with folks down south about the oil spill. Darn sad to know what's happening. I did mention to my wife that it seems strange that something of this magnitude can get shoved to the back shadows. This is a quote from a MSN story today... BP at least is upbeat about the Gulf's recovery.
"We are absolutely confident that the water is safe. The residents and tourists are telling us that the beaches have never looked better, the seafood is safe and delicious and I hear fishing is excellent right now as well," Mike Utsler, chief operating officer of BP's Gulf Coast Restoration Organization wrote in Facebook comments published this week.
Just simply amazing that they could print that or that they could say it. Well the last few nights what I saw of current filming and listening to the residents I say those big oil folks are liars. The residents that are receiving any form of help from them said, and I quote from one, "they give us hope and then nothing happens". Now I just can't imagine those folks saying that if they were being helped. I also can't believe that they could have reached down out of the boat and pulled up, from a foot deep at the base of the marsh grass, a handful of gummy oil that sticks to anything. It's there and it's killing everything. But the big boys hear....fishing is excellent. What a crying shame that this is way we are. And they're getting what they wanted....gass prices are steadily rising and all the publicity money they've handed out they are now getting back...from us. Amazing. Strange....I don't feel any better...I thought "getting it off my chest" was suppose to make me feel better? I know slapping that liar upside his head would make me feel better.....well maybe more than just a slap or two. Sorry for the downer. Be different if there was something we could do. I believe we would. thought I'd add....to bad the local news isn't there on the front page of MSN to go along with that story. spelling edit
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 13:52:42
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I am an oil guy. I have financed nearly $10 billion of stuff for the oil patch over my career.
BP is a liar. The "oil eating microbes" are BS. There is tons of oil at the bottom of the gulf, sunk by mixing with the dispersant.
But the oil industry does not have the kind of problems that BP created. BP is a bad actor. There was an article in the WSJ that showed the number of OSHA safety violations in the two years preceding Macondo. BP had like 99. Exxon had 1. Chevron was maybe 3. Nobody wants to sink a half-billion $ rig. Nobody wants to lose a 5 billion barrel reserve. Tons of money goes into technologies to help prevent that. But BP did not run a cement bond log in Macondo (a measurement to let it know that the casing had sealed against the well) because they were running behind schedule. Saved maybe $500,000 in total costs by nicking 1 day. Killed 11 people created huge unemployment and took part in driving gasoline prices up.
I hate BP. BP cut corners and cost people lives. All of us who work here were aghast at the risks BP took.
It has killed towns that depend on the oil industry. Restaurants that served people about to go offshore. Motels that housed them. Boat companies that carry stuff back and forth to the rigs....
Gasoline prices are rising mainly because the dollar is collapsing and because of the issues in the Mid East. Oil is priced in US$ globally, so when the dollar declines, we are the only ones that feel the higher oil prices. Sure, the Mid East mess has a ton of speculation involved in it, but if something happened to Saudi, there is not enough extra oil in the market to make up for it.
We have allowed domestic production of crude oil to decline 65% over the last 30 years, while our consumption has nearly doubled. And people can talk about alternative energy sources, but they are WAY more expensive, and none of them work in a car, except batteries., And those require electricity (where nat gas is the cleanest, cheapest and ONLY one you can turn off and on in the electrical grid) to charge them.
We have tons of resources here. We just do not invest in them. However, we subsidize Colombia and Brazil for investing in theirs.
Think about this
We import about 10 MM Barrels a day of Crude. Crude is $110/bbl right this minute.
That is $1.1 Billion EVERY DAY leaving our country to go somewhere else. $400 billion a year.
And there are jobs and taxes and all the benefits of independence that we are loosing in the process.
Yeah maybe long-term we have to find other sources, but this is here and now. Wind and Solar make up about 1.5% of the power grid and neither can power a bus or a car or an airplane.
We need to develop our own resources and use the taxes and royalties to invest in the long-term.
What we do as a country vis-a-vis the oil business is atrocious. And stupid.
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spacey
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 14:01:36
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Sounds like we need a miracle Maurice....
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 14:38:32
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There are no short-term solutions. Killing drilling because of what one VERY BAD ACTOR did is totally the wrong solution.
I think we need to seriously talk about natural gas powered cars. No new technology needed. There is about 400 years of natural gas at our current consumption rate. It is the least poluting form of vehicular power (those of you that want to say batteries, A - you have to charge them and wind and solar aren't enough and B - you have to dispose of them - which is like dropping toxic waste into the environment).
I wrote Boone Pickens to propose that we convert every city bound vehicle (bus, police car, cab...) to natural gas as soon as possible. While we do not have stations on the road, these vehicles go back to the same yards every day. We could build depots at the bus yards. Much less expensive than building out on highways.
Once enough vehicles are out there, someone will find a way to make the Gas Station concept work.
I don't think we could get rid of ALL our imported oil, but I bet we could get rid of 1/2 of it. And that is a start.
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 15:05:04
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Addressing our energy needs is a must. Although I appreciate everything you'd said it has little to do with the fact that what needs to be done to address the mess they made and the lies they are telling- it is not happening...obviously. They're spitting out figures and lies in support that they have everythng and everybody taken care of that the event effected. They have neither taken care of. Somebody should load them up...take them out on a boat and let them fish and swim for awhile and then have a cook-out and let them eat their catch. While they are enjoying their food they explain why the oyster catch is down 80% and why the guy that lives and supports his family is going to have to go to the bank and get a loan for the first time in his life, to keep his fishing business alive....while out the side of their mouths they're telling everybody they cleaned it up and compensated that man. I know those coon-asses...let that BP guy go live down there for a week and if he makes it out lets hear what he's got to say then. He'll think twice about telling his lies and BS. Let that MSN reporter keep him company. We'll see what's on their internet front page then. got me upsetttt....lettersss ...keeepp multiplyinggg
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 15:22:09
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Spacey you are right - the news lies. They lied from the beginning. Oil eating microbes - BS. 500 bbls/day - BS. Clean beaches - BS. No impact on Jobs - BS. Obama and the CEO of BP would never make it out alive from Southern Louisiana right now. And I spend a bunch of time over there and most of those are really good folks. But you are right - people going broke. Here is what a guy that works for our company is saying. Devaluation of $ is about 1/3 of the increase at the pump and that is directly from overspending by our government. http://www.cnbc.com/id/42683030
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spacey
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 15:41:55
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Space I can't understand why the American people take it.
Unreal how we get a Bozo driving the buss...we can't make him let us off
but why can't we throw him out? I could drive the buss better and I don't know
squat.
I believe another truth- When you and I were kids there was a generation of folks
in this country that would have made a change....they probably would have shot bozo
and thrown him out of the buss.
Many of them are still alive and it seems that they've given up hope...and really look
at it like this isn't America anymore. I can understand their reasoning.
Sure doesn't look good for us...today...after it was shoved in my face.
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Katie_Katie
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 16:56:14
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space_cowboy
I am an oil guy. I have financed nearly $10 billion of stuff for the oil patch over my career.
BP is a liar. The "oil eating microbes" are BS. There is tons of oil at the bottom of the gulf, sunk by mixing with the dispersant.
But the oil industry does not have the kind of problems that BP created. BP is a bad actor. There was an article in the WSJ that showed the number of OSHA safety violations in the two years preceding Macondo. BP had like 99. Exxon had 1. Chevron was maybe 3. Nobody wants to sink a half-billion $ rig. Nobody wants to lose a 5 billion barrel reserve. Tons of money goes into technologies to help prevent that. But BP did not run a cement bond log in Macondo (a measurement to let it know that the casing had sealed against the well) because they were running behind schedule. Saved maybe $500,000 in total costs by nicking 1 day. Killed 11 people created huge unemployment and took part in driving gasoline prices up.
I hate BP. BP cut corners and cost people lives. All of us who work here were aghast at the risks BP took.
It has killed towns that depend on the oil industry. Restaurants that served people about to go offshore. Motels that housed them. Boat companies that carry stuff back and forth to the rigs....
Gasoline prices are rising mainly because the dollar is collapsing and because of the issues in the Mid East. Oil is priced in US$ globally, so when the dollar declines, we are the only ones that feel the higher oil prices. Sure, the Mid East mess has a ton of speculation involved in it, but if something happened to Saudi, there is not enough extra oil in the market to make up for it.
We have allowed domestic production of crude oil to decline 65% over the last 30 years, while our consumption has nearly doubled. And people can talk about alternative energy sources, but they are WAY more expensive, and none of them work in a car, except batteries., And those require electricity (where nat gas is the cleanest, cheapest and ONLY one you can turn off and on in the electrical grid) to charge them.
We have tons of resources here. We just do not invest in them. However, we subsidize Colombia and Brazil for investing in theirs.
Think about this
We import about 10 MM Barrels a day of Crude. Crude is $110/bbl right this minute.
That is $1.1 Billion EVERY DAY leaving our country to go somewhere else. $400 billion a year.
And there are jobs and taxes and all the benefits of independence that we are loosing in the process.
Yeah maybe long-term we have to find other sources, but this is here and now. Wind and Solar make up about 1.5% of the power grid and neither can power a bus or a car or an airplane.
We need to develop our own resources and use the taxes and royalties to invest in the long-term.
What we do as a country vis-a-vis the oil business is atrocious. And stupid.
If you are ever crazed enough to run for office, you have my vote and campaign contribution.
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 16:58:55
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Katie_Katie
space_cowboy
I am an oil guy. I have financed nearly $10 billion of stuff for the oil patch over my career.
BP is a liar. The "oil eating microbes" are BS. There is tons of oil at the bottom of the gulf, sunk by mixing with the dispersant.
But the oil industry does not have the kind of problems that BP created. BP is a bad actor. There was an article in the WSJ that showed the number of OSHA safety violations in the two years preceding Macondo. BP had like 99. Exxon had 1. Chevron was maybe 3. Nobody wants to sink a half-billion $ rig. Nobody wants to lose a 5 billion barrel reserve. Tons of money goes into technologies to help prevent that. But BP did not run a cement bond log in Macondo (a measurement to let it know that the casing had sealed against the well) because they were running behind schedule. Saved maybe $500,000 in total costs by nicking 1 day. Killed 11 people created huge unemployment and took part in driving gasoline prices up.
I hate BP. BP cut corners and cost people lives. All of us who work here were aghast at the risks BP took.
It has killed towns that depend on the oil industry. Restaurants that served people about to go offshore. Motels that housed them. Boat companies that carry stuff back and forth to the rigs....
Gasoline prices are rising mainly because the dollar is collapsing and because of the issues in the Mid East. Oil is priced in US$ globally, so when the dollar declines, we are the only ones that feel the higher oil prices. Sure, the Mid East mess has a ton of speculation involved in it, but if something happened to Saudi, there is not enough extra oil in the market to make up for it.
We have allowed domestic production of crude oil to decline 65% over the last 30 years, while our consumption has nearly doubled. And people can talk about alternative energy sources, but they are WAY more expensive, and none of them work in a car, except batteries., And those require electricity (where nat gas is the cleanest, cheapest and ONLY one you can turn off and on in the electrical grid) to charge them.
We have tons of resources here. We just do not invest in them. However, we subsidize Colombia and Brazil for investing in theirs.
Think about this
We import about 10 MM Barrels a day of Crude. Crude is $110/bbl right this minute.
That is $1.1 Billion EVERY DAY leaving our country to go somewhere else. $400 billion a year.
And there are jobs and taxes and all the benefits of independence that we are loosing in the process.
Yeah maybe long-term we have to find other sources, but this is here and now. Wind and Solar make up about 1.5% of the power grid and neither can power a bus or a car or an airplane.
We need to develop our own resources and use the taxes and royalties to invest in the long-term.
What we do as a country vis-a-vis the oil business is atrocious. And stupid.
If you are ever crazed enough to run for office, you have my vote and campaign contribution.
how about we just skip the voting and you can send me his campaign contribution? I will assume the role of Candidate Manager on his behalf. I take paypal.
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Katie_Katie
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 17:09:21
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"how about we just skip the voting and you can send me his campaign contribution? I will assume the role of Candidate Manager on his behalf. I take paypal. "
Ya know.... I am just gullible enough to do that because I trust you.....
But..... I just have a feeling you will take these funds and OD on becan because you could not resist pork barrel spending.
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 17:12:44
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/20 17:25:44
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listened to a fisherman on npr, talking about how with some crabs from certain areas, you can see the oil coming out of it when you cook it....
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Re:Maybe natural for oil people to be
2011/04/23 12:41:37
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One year later and the Gulf is a disaster, caused by a man made disaster. I'm all for drilling on land and in the shallow water. I heard recently that we have more oil than the other top oil producing countries combined, but we refuse to allow access to it. It's all locked up in federal lands where it's "protected". We have enough oil, coal and natural gas to run this country for centuries at the current rate of consumption, and even export it as well. In another hundred year, I'm sure the solar power will be so much more efficient.... I think it's like 10% or so now..... in 100 years I'm thinking it'll be 80% or better. There is also the possibility of cold fusion and hydrogen cell technology that will be available to run a house from a generator the size of a suitcase and run on water. To try to switch now to these (still very inefficient) and future technologies is not intelligent until they become more efficient and are actually cost effective....and that ain't happening yet. Our country reminds me of Gulliver in his travels where he allows himself to be tied down one string at a time by the Lilliputians showing them how strong he is as he can easily break one, then two strings and so on.... each time they add another string until finally he can not break free and he is then a captive of the little people. We are doing that by not allowing the harvesting of our natural resources here, instead, we ban it, and choose to buy it and even finance other countries which are our enemies, to provide it for us at exorbitant rates. Just plain insanity if you ask me. In Argentina, I'd venture to say that 95% of all vehicles there are dual fuel. Gasoline and LP gas. The gas stations (most of them ) have pumps for both. The conversion kits are not expensive. They can do this and we can't?
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