Sonar X1 looks good compared to this bug list!

http://akmedia.digidesign.com/support/docs/Pro_Tools_902_Read_Me_Win_70875.pdf

what???? I thought Sonar was the only DAW with bugs!
Dazed AND confused now!!

RogerH


what???? I thought Sonar was the only DAW with bugs!
Dazed AND confused now!!

and I thought PT was almost "perfect"!

Yes, they all have their issues.  My big thing is sticking with the company that aggressively tries to repair the issues.  So far CW, so good. 

kson,

I agree that the important thing is that Cakewalk is addressing the issues.

We need to put the numbers in the PDF into perspective. I've been a software tester (for business software) for the last 10-15 years, and I can give you a few examples.

For one release at my former company, the readme was 125 pages long. Most of that was known issues.

For my current project, started about 15 months ago, we've reported over 2,400 defects. Currently 130 are open, and 122 are ready for retest. The president, who's not a software person, is pressing us hard to release it, even though it's not feature-complete and the rate of defect discovery is not leveling off.

Believe me, Cakewalk DAW products are way cleaner than anything I've ever tested. And everything I've read from them indicates that their development organization is very organized and disciplined. I've been a Cakewalk customer since 1991, and I stick with them because of the quality of the products and because of the quality of the development organization.

Mitch I.

Bristol_Jonesey


But, but, but... I thought PT was the "industry standard" and was the DAW of choice for the "professional"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thing is,  I don't consider PT and Sonar the same Tool.  PT is the standard because it started as an audio mixing app.  If you mix audio for a living you better be well versed in PT.  SOnar started as a sequencing program and is much better suited for composing.  
 

Notice this bug list refers to Windows 7. I have just finished a rather big job and I had the latest IMac on loan with Pro Tools 9 on it. I must say most of those problems were not present on the Mac I was using.

Still brings us back to the idea of how well can a software program run on two platforms. Is one going to be better than the other. Maybe there is a compromise, and any given program may be more stable on one platform compared to the other. I have been using Studio One and it is very very stable on a PC but some Mac users have had some weird problems that I don't at all. I don't know why people are so deperate to get Sonar over to the Mac. It does not need it and it will be a lot of work. And its all running great on the PC now so why meddle.

The setup I had was pretty good and Pro Tools ran well. The score editor is very nice. Still some silly Pro Tools things I did not like. It is still harder to navigate around compared to other programs. Fiddly and time wasting at times. (Strudio One kills it for moving around in the music and things staying perfectly aligned and in the middle of your screen too) Also the browser is much harder to setup and get to in some ways. With Studio One, and I am sure X1 now, these browsers operate much differently and are easier and faster to access. PT is also not as gapless as Studio One either, very much so.

The whole feel of it is for audio tracking and manipulation. It is not built from a music composers point of view like other programs. I must say I have been looking at the Pro Tools 9 GUI and it is a major improvement over version 7 and before that. Last night I checked a PT9 session in PT 7.4. It loaded up fine but PT7 looks terrible in comparison. That older PT GUI was very bad and no wonder why I never liked or used it. But PT9 on a decent Mac screen looks far better and there is much more color now!

But overall I don't like it much and much prefer Sonar 8.5 and Studio One as a team.

Bugs don't make any DAW app the winner or loser - all have them.

Features on the other hand, do. I think everyone can find a favorite or two based upon the functionality they want and need. For example, Sonar was my number one for ten years. Then they changed a few critical things in X1, and now I am reconsidering while I use 8.5.3 and brand X.

D

vicsant

 

and I thought PT was almost "perfect"!

PT is almost PerfecT, it's just missing the erfec....

           Not only is there no perfect software, there is nothing we humans make that is perfect because all of usare flawed in multiple ways.  Another thing:  While perfect operation is the goal of technology, a goal seldom achieved, perfection itself is the death of art.  

Jerry
www.jerrygerber.com

You, sir, should quit Sonar right now, and take up prose as your primary objective...

I wonder how many SONAR fan boys have even the slightest idea what, where, when and why the first "bug" is a feature that Pro Tool users employ?

Maybe a dozen of us?

As you read through that detailed and informative explanation of each "bug" you have an opportunity to see that Pro Tools users have a detailed and powerful set of features that they expect to make use of.