2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ

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2011/04/25 07:45:09 (permalink)

2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ

I'm a bit new to detailed use of all Sonar's effects.   I have one song where it seems 2 synth parts are clashing with each other.   I'm thinking I can adjust their relative EQs up and down to give them more of their own space.   But, my question, how can I find the frequency that they are clashing on?   Is there a graph or analyser which will show me these 2 tracks playing back, and what their frequencies are, or some other way?

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 08:29:57 (permalink)
    voxengo SPAN is excellent for finding dominant frequencies of instruments.  google it - it's free.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 10:09:32 (permalink)
    +1 on Span!

    You can also play around with your EQ -  Do a cut and move it around to different frequencies and like magic the instrument you couldn't hear suddenly appears. (Sontius is excellent for this.)   Don't forget to play around with panning too.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 10:48:05 (permalink)
    The easiest way to find the frequency (sounds like an app name!) is to use a notch (narrow) frequency with a lot of boost.  You should find a spot where the instrument leaps out.  Then reduce it, adjust the width of cut, etc.  Rinse and repeat with the 2nd synth.  Remember or write down the two frequencies - if they completely overlap, "houston, we have a problem" in the arrangement and choice of sounds.  Most likely, however, you can differentiate the two sounds.  And as Smith sez, panning can help, not just with frequency problems but in general for separating instruments.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 12:33:37 (permalink)
    I haven't tried this yet, but here is a freeware analyzer that you can put on multiple tracks.

    Video here:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWjjxtkU8a0


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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 13:06:12 (permalink)
    that looks interesting, Jerry, I'll have to check that out.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 14:29:10 (permalink)
    There is a video somehwere detailing how to use Voxengo Span in just this sort of application.

    It shows you how to set it up so that it responds to more than one signal, and gives a detailed analysis about how to home in on overlapping frequencies.

    I think it was referred to in one of the Sonar X1 vids

    Hang on - try this:

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 17:18:53 (permalink)
    ditto on the notch idea, I use that all the time for offending freq.  works great.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 18:56:45 (permalink)
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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/25 21:21:31 (permalink)
    thanks for the headsup gonzo.  I think I'll wait a while before checking that out.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/26 06:17:24 (permalink)
    Thanks for these replies, very helpful. 

    I downloaded Span and this seemed to work quite well, I could see each tracks frequencies and how they changed over time. I could even see the exact frequency where the kick drum hits (I presume the logic is that is the kick here is too low, eg boosting that frequncy by a few db would help, and vice versa?).

    I found that a synth pad I had covered a quite wide frequency with very few relative peaks, which was very similar to a big fat synth lead sound (which I did suspect would clash somewhere).   What would be the logical way to prevent these 2 clashing, when their frequencies are so wide, and so similar?

    I will check out the other suggestions including the Span video.  Its true, as I use it now "out of the box" I have to check each track seperately.   

    I particularly like the term "like magic", although I have a feeling it won't work like this for me :-)

     

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/26 07:09:26 (permalink)
    EQ them to your liking to make some difference between them and then pan them apart.

    If the EQ-curves don't give any clear starting point, start by randomly boosting the one and/or cutting the other at, say, 2000 Hz or whatever, and see what happens.

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    Re:2 clashing instruments - how to fix with EQ 2011/04/26 10:21:42 (permalink)
    Low pass/hi pass.  In one of your sounds start cutting out the bass.  Find the spot where it starts changing the sound too much.  Then cut the highs out of the other one until it affects the sound overly.  See if that doesn't differentiate them.

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