dlogan
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Can a band suck retroactively?
I was having this debate with someone... Can crappy work that a band puts out later in their career ruin their ealier work? The example that brought up the discussion was U2. Although I wouldn't say U2's work in the last 10 years was "crappy", it definitely has not been up to the standards of their eariler work. But for me "Get on Your Boots" doesn't make "New Years Day" any less awesome. My friend disagreed, because he says the later "crap" means they really weren't that good in the first place.
Your thoughts??
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bapu
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 13:58:27
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So ask your friend if in reverse a crappy band that has a few brilliant later years wasn't that good either?
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 13:58:42
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I can't speak for a band sucking retroactively but as for myself DIFFIDENTLY!
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 14:01:25
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I can't speak for a band sucking retroactively but as for myself DIFFIDENTLY!
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 14:48:04
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Gotta disagree with your friend here Dave. If they were good, they were good. Period! Not speaking of U2 in general, but to me, a good record is a good record, irregardless of what someone might put out later. There is a long list of bands that put out absolutely great first albums, but subsequent albums didn't measure up. Doesn't mean that first one wasn't great. Could have been producer issues, or changes in personnel, drugs, alchohol, women, etc, etc. Take the Rolling Stones for example. The early stuff through lets say Some Girls was pretty damn great. Since then, other than maybe Tattoo You hasn't been received that well. Does that mean they were never any good? Stupid position to take if ya ask me. And if he took that position around Keef, well lets just say he'd probably end up with a few more holes in his body than when he started the argument. And still be wrong.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 14:49:39
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I'm still trying to figure out how a band that was initially crappy, but never improved, could still be around 20 years later to make more crappy songs...
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
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bapu
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 15:01:25
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craigb
I'm still trying to figure out how bapu could still be around 20 years later to make more crappy posts...
Ask anyone in The CH!
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 15:21:44
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dlogan
I was having this debate with someone... Can crappy work that a band puts out later in their career ruin their ealier work? The example that brought up the discussion was U2. Although I wouldn't say U2's work in the last 10 years was "crappy", it definitely has not been up to the standards of their eariler work. But for me "Get on Your Boots" doesn't make "New Years Day" any less awesome. My friend disagreed, because he says the later "crap" means they really weren't that good in the first place.
Your thoughts??
I don't agree with your friend Dave. Bono and his gang are very different people now to the passionate kids who wrote Eleven O'Clock Tick Tock, I Will Follow and Gloria. A lot of artists will admit that they struggle to find the inspiration that they had when they were younger. Paul Rodgers and the rest of Free were in their late teens when they wrote Wishing Well, My Brother Jake, I'll Be Creepin' etc, and those songs stand head and shoulders above the ho-hum stuff Rodgers writes now, although his voice is still golden.
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dlogan
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 15:47:59
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Yeah I agree! I'd rather band start to get a little more 'boring' (for lack of a better word) as they age as opposed to a band like Green Day who will probably be pushing 50 and still trying to pull off the "angry young punk" vibe.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:13:00
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I disagree with the U2 example. I think they've changed their styles, and while they hit their apex around '86-92, i respect what they're doing now.
The Rolling Stones might be a better example, a group that wrote some of the greatest songs in pop music, but none in the last 30 years! They suck now, but nobody can deny their catalogue...
If an artist didn't evolve, it would be a waste of talent. Unfortunately the evolution isn't always in a way that WE like.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:28:58
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My friend disagreed, because he says the later "crap" means they really weren't that good in the first place. so in that theory we won't really know if the Coffee House band is any good until their later years because the good stuff might not be good in the first place ... and we won't know that until the later years when they come out with music for that time .... in which case I say your friend is daft .... and you can't take away a gold Olympic medal from someone when they turn 50 years old because they cant run as fast as they did when they were 20 years old can you? But maybe your friend would try that anyway with the Olympic committee makes no sense However ... with the CHB anything is possible -
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:32:59
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A lot of bands, when they are younger, don't even know the Am note exists.
You do the math.
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bapu
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:33:43
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Mooch4056
However ...
with the CHB anything is possible pausable -
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bapu
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:38:16
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mike_mccue
A lot of bands, when they are younger, don't even know the Am note exists.
You do the math.
Lemme see: ¼ * (½ - ¾) = 20 to 40%.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 16:56:33
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Yeah. Consider the Shaggs. I mean, would you consider them to be a horrific, vomit inducing, brain imploding, praying for the sweet release of death, a-musical disaster merely because of their 1982 LP, Shagg's Own Thing? I would have thought that you would have reached that conclusion based solely on the existence of their first album, Phillosophy of the World. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_the_World And yes. Their sound is so far to one extreme edge of the Bell Curve, that even the largest black hole in the universe cannot match their unique vacuuming ability. I may have missed the point here.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 17:54:17
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Old55
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 19:00:25
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I'd say it more about why you ask the question. If you're going to see a band live--do you want to sit through the crappy songs (or good songs played-to-death) to possibly hear the brilliant songs. That's where your choice lies. There are a few bands that I won't go to see for that reason.
Other than that, I'd take each song on its own merit.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 19:27:23
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Not sure, pretty much every band that I ever really liked changed to a point that going out and buying the full LP was no longer necessary. To name a few Queen, after the Flash Gordon soundtrack ZZ Top, Aerosmith many others. I often wonder if it's the artists themselves that make the decision to change everything that made them unique or was it statistically driven record company executives. Perhaps complacency after being on top so long, enough money to last a lifetime and loyal fans that are still coming to your shows to hear your past material. Not sure but I think it happens more often than not IMO. Sure is awesome to still be able to listen to what made them great in the first place though.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/26 19:38:16
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You can only be young, angry, and hungry so long before age and a steady income dull the raw edge. A few grow and keep their edge, and produce credible art. Others...
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Old55
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/27 02:16:48
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ohgrant
Not sure, pretty much every band that I ever really liked changed to a point that going out and buying the full LP was no longer necessary. To name a few Queen, after the Flash Gordon soundtrack ZZ Top, Aerosmith many others. I often wonder if it's the artists themselves that make the decision to change everything that made them unique or was it statistically driven record company executives. Perhaps complacency after being on top so long, enough money to last a lifetime and loyal fans that are still coming to your shows to hear your past material. Not sure but I think it happens more often than not IMO. Sure is awesome to still be able to listen to what made them great in the first place though.
Very few artists successfully reinvent themselves. Peter Gabriel and Joe Jackson come to mind. They've each done it a number of times.
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Re:Can a band suck retroactively?
2011/04/27 02:32:45
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I known a lot of bands that proactively suck. They will be terrible well into the future.
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