ASIO Interface issues

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2011/04/27 23:50:23 (permalink)

ASIO Interface issues

Having some issues from 8.5 to X1.  When you spend morning, noon, night in front of software, it is the hardest thing to make that leap.  It also makes even the smallest things noticable.  So here's my issue and then a couple of suggestions.
 
I'm running an M-Audio Firewire 410 with a PCI firewire card.  Lastest ASIO updates.  It took a lot or wrangling from 7-8.5 to get it to be solid, but in 8.5 everything settled in.  No crashes (except in Groove Agent 3...ugh)  Could run very small buffers (128) and have no cut outs or artifacts.  Very low latency.  Got X1 (plus all posted patches) and it started crashing in ways I've never seen.  First I had to run the buffers up to 512 and got a posted 19ms latency, but it was way bigger than that.  Completely unacceptable.  Then in several simple edit functions...boom.  Down it would go!  And even at 512, it still would have artifacts on the simplest of audio files or audio inputs.
 
So because of projects and a series of semi-private seminars we run, I just had to go back to 8.5  But now, I'm getting some artifacts and can't seem to run below 256!  Crashes are nothing compared to X1.  I'm going to uninstall X1 and even do a system recover back to the day it insatalled, but I'll keep my .exe files for the future, but I'd like to get the latest running.  Evenb sent the bulk dump files to Cakewalk.  No reply.  Love to hear back! 

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    HooliStudios
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 01:47:14 (permalink)
    Don't think I'm smart enough to help you work out your bugs, but I am using the Firewire 410 as well without major issues (Every once in a while my audio will stop right at the start of a project).  Driver 5.10.0.5058.  I also run with buffers at 128.  Audio runs smoothly with latencies at <5 msec.  I run a lot of the CW Plug-ins plus UAD and BFD2.  Wish I could help you more but maybe this will lead you in another direction.

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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 02:52:45 (permalink)
    Hi there

    did you do a clean install or did you upgrade? I found that when I upgraded I had similar problems, errors I had never seen before. I did a clean install from scratch and till now I have had no issues.

    I know a clean install is a pain especially if there is software that has to be authorised or un authorised etc, but perhaps what you should do is get another hard drive, put it in the machine and run a clean install on that drive (as C) and I am sure you will find most of your issues resolved.
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 03:09:03 (permalink)
    You can only do a clean install of SONAR X1. there is no upgrade installation. Upgrade just refers to pricing when upgrading from previous versions. It's not a different program just pricing that changes.

    Each version of SONAR installs to it's own directory and any shared files are always overwritten by the newest files that come with the new version you are installing.

    The only shared things between versions are only plugins and standalone programs.

    You can choose to import settings from a previous version but that is not compulsory.

    At one time I had all versions of SONAR from 3 to 8.3 installed simultaneously and running. It wasn't until I went fully 64 bit that I didn't reinstall the previous versions. Now still running 8.3; 8.5 and X1 for compatability with older projects.

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    Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk]
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 03:12:51 (permalink)
    I've seem many examples of poor performance by M-Audio interfaces in the field, primarily with Windows 7 X64. Please post your system specs.
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 08:33:58 (permalink)
    Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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    I've seem many examples of poor performance by M-Audio interfaces in the field, primarily with Windows 7 X64. Please post your system specs.


    im glad you said it and not me...lol..very true seth.

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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 08:55:31 (permalink)
    i agree with mr. perlstein. i used a m-audio 410 with a school pc under windows XP and Sonar 8.5 without any major issues.
    After changing to a new machine with w7 64 bit(and X1) i had a lot of trouble with that card. Finally changed to (yes, i did!)  the UA -25 EX by Cake/Roland; it's a usb though, but it runs stable as a rock (my experiences until now, what will be tomorrow one never knows....)
    Don't get me wrong, the m-audio is a good product but maybe the drivers are not ready for w7?
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 09:37:12 (permalink)
    Have you tried the WDM drivers? There is nothing inherently in the WDM spec that makes it any less a driver than ASIO. the main thing is to get a driver that works.

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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 10:25:13 (permalink)
    Hi there

    Perhaps I did not explain well and using the word upgrade is not the right discription.when I installed X1 on the same drive as 8.5.3 (Upgrade lol) was on I got error after error when I ran X1. I also run win 7 64 bit and I am sure that that was also part of the problem. all I am saying is when I installed a new drive from scratch (win 7 64 bit ) and there was no previous Sonar install on it, and I installed X1 it resolved just about all of my issues.

    I experienced the same on my Laptop. as soon as I had a fresh win 7 64 bit install, X1 ran well and is still running well. I have not seen 90% of the bugs being reported even though I am using the same functions

    I have experienced the Maudio drivers both 32 bit and 64 bit to be rock solid. (but only on Clean installs)

    I have win7 64 SP1 -- Quad core X58 motherboard, 8GB of Ram, 1GB Video card, 2496 Maudio card, Boot drive of 500GB and about 3 Terabytes in storage (internal) and the same as a Mirror (External).
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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 10:43:16 (permalink)
    Good info everyone.  Running a optimized version of XP SP 3 that TW streamlined for me.  I stayed away from Vista, and then because everything was insanely rock solid, if it ain't broke...AMD / Quad 2.21G / 3Gig / GeForce 430-1G / C,D & E Drives / SATA.  First, M-Audio:  I own a RME 400, Edirol USB, Gina / PCI, a couple others.  M-Audio was the quitest.  Oh, by the way.  Spent a year chasing intermittent 60 cycles hum.  Never could fine a pattern in the chaos.  Replaced all patch cords, all snakes, interfaces...nothing and still no pattern.  Until one day, I was in a quiet mixdown when my wife went out into the garage and turned on the lights.  Wham!  Noise.  DO NOT INSTALL THE NEW BULBS ON THE SAME FEED LEG!  Those fluorescent suck!  I'll end this and go to the individual posts.  Thanx

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    Re:ASIO Interface issues 2011/04/28 10:48:21 (permalink)
    Oh Cakewalk.  Would love to have you add the S on S / Overwrite status somewhere on the transport window.  It's on 8.5 very clearly.  That's a big one.  Miss that indicator!

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