gabomedellin
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HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
I can’t figure what it is. But my current project works pretty damn slow after freezing vst instruments. You can only see the interface having problems when moving around these audio tracks I just freeze. Unfreezing solves that issue and again everything back to normal. When I freeze them the problem seems not to be a big deal but when I reopen the project it makes it impossible to move around this tracks. If you hide them the problem disappears its only when they’re showing in my screen. I’ve tried latency, 32 bit daw, 16, 24 and 32 bit audio management, changing windows page file option, moving my projects to an external hard drive and nothing works.
Please somebody tell me what this $#%& about.
My system: Phenom x6 1090t, 8gb ddr2 800mhz ram, 3 HD 7200 rpm raid 0 config, asus m4n78 pro board.
Any help will be extremely appreciated.
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Kalle Rantaaho
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/04/28 08:26:22
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You left out some essential info: Which version of SONAR are y ou using? What is your interface? OS? What drivers (ASIO, MME, WDM, WASAPI) are you using?
The 8 gb of RAM indicates you operate in 64 bits? Have you installed the 64 bit version of SONAR or 32 bit version? Does your interface have 64 bit drivers? Are you using plugins that don't work in 64 bits (that would explain the stickyness of one particular project)?
Are all other projects working normally? Is there some particular plugin that is only used in the problem-project?
I find it very strange that hiding the tracks ends the stickyness. It makes me suspect the video card.
I wonder if the RAID-system could have anything to do with this. Not likely.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/04/28 11:39:00
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Well im using sonar x1b x64, I use a fast track ultra interface (ASIO)8 with 64 bit drivers on windows 7 and Im using only kontakt 4.2 64 bit also. I remember this happening some time ago, once when I even used another video card. Befor I had geforce 9400gt and now I have geforce gts 250. Im also thinking maybe the raid because this is something I think it has happen in my system for a while and Im impressed that no one else has this problem.
Thanks
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/11 13:51:02
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Some one has any idea why this happens?
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Beagle
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/11 14:21:27
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Are all other projects working normally? you haven't answered this question of Kalle's yet. what is your version of Kontakt? is that the only non-cakewalk synth you're using? are you using any non-cakewalk FX plugins? if so, please name them.
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Chappel
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/11 17:46:40
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What exactly do you mean by "moving around these audio tracks I just freeze"? How are you "moving the tracks" after freezing them?
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 03:17:07
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My version of kontakt is 4.2 it happens on 32 and 64 bit im not using any cakewalk synth or fx just kontakt and fx like ozone fabfilter pro q, altiverb, waves c6 etc. Please some one any idea???
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Beagle
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 08:12:46
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my question was regarding NON-cakewalk syntsh or FX. try removing each of the FX you listed (and any other non-cake FX if you didn't list them all) one at a time and see if the problem goes away. and if you want help, you REALLY need to answer all of the questions. Chappel asked you to explain what you mean by moving them around but you haven't answered him. you need to try to answer all of our questions so that we can help.
post edited by Beagle - 2011/05/12 08:15:05
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 15:19:31
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Yea sure. The thing is that just when those tracks are shown like the audio wave of the freeze tracks is shown in my monitor and I move the interface like to go to other spot or to expand the waves it just gets super slow it takes a minute to actually move. It makes very difficult to work with.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 18:06:37
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I have erased every plug-in and freeze every track and I still have problems. For me is just very very strange. It makes it impossible to work if I can see the tracks that are freeze. The more tracks are displayed in my monitor the worse it is. I deleted all the tracks and everything back to normal. Also when I forward the project where I can’t see anything everything is okey. The entire software stocks when these tracks are there even deleting a plug-in is hard. I’m thinking maybe something to do with the raid setup. Does anybody know how to make sonar load the tracks to ram and stop them from being read from the hdd? Maybe that would work.
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Chappel
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 19:38:12
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So you only have the problem when the frozen tracks are visible on your screen. That's a new one to me. Are you using a video card? What screen resolution are you using in Windows?
I wonder if recomputing the Wave pictures or deleting the contents of your Picture Folder would have any effect.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 20:01:57
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I have a gts 250 1 gig video card. My screen resolution is 1600x900. I used to have the problem also with a old 9400gt so I dont think thats the issue. What do you mean with recomputing the wave pictures????
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Chappel
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 20:20:47
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Right click an audio Clip, select Clip Properties, go to the Audio Files Tab and click the Recompute Picture(s) button.  If you delete the picture files in the Cakewalk picture directory, Cakewalk will automatically recompute all the wave images. The default location for the picture files can be found, and changed, in Options>Global>AudioData-Picture Folder. Mine is C:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache. Don't know that would help but it's something to try and it can't hurt. I've never frozen a track before... I only freeze the synth. I wonder if you froze the synth instead of the track it would make any difference.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 21:43:47
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Thanks for your help but it didn’t work. I am freezing the synth tracks that’s what I meant. Everything is kontakt 4 based. Theres like 15 synth tracks. I open the project in a laptop and the problem was even worse. But heres something strange I figured. I erased all the tracks. All working fine I went to the audio folder of the project import all the audio tracks and the problem was still there. But I tried the same in a brand new project import all the same audio tracks and everything worked fine. It’s like the project is the one that’s get affected after freezing. IT’S SO WEIRD!!!! And it has taken me so much time...  When all the tracks are still midi ther are no problems. But my system resources are getting low. Maybe is just my computer but I dont understand why... Phenom x6 1090t, 8gb ddr2 800mhz ram, 3 HD 7200 rpm raid 0 config, asus m4n78 pro board.
post edited by gabomedellin - 2011/05/12 21:47:45
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Beagle
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 22:18:50
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I have never seen or read anything like this before. I would say that you've got a corrupted project.
try copying your tracks to a new project.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/12 23:42:01
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But its something that has happen with a lot of projects...
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Beagle
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/13 08:54:25
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my suggestion then would be to find the common denominator between those projects it HAS happened in and is not in the ones that it hasn't happened in.
for example, if all of the projects which are exhibiting this behavior have waves c6 in them, but the ones which do not exhibit this behavior do NOT have waves c6 in them. then you've got your answer.
I still think this is going to be related to a 3rd party plugin. I'm not saying it's necessarily that 3rd party plugin's fault beacuse it might be the way that sonar is handling the plugin, but my money's on freezing a 3rd party plugin/softsynth of some kind.
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/13 09:11:37
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I read the post looking for anything on the AMD 1090T CPU speed. Are you over clocking? Or running at the 3,2Ghz Defualt speed? I have experianced some "hangs" when using Sonar after a game had been played and it was still clocked at 3.8 Ghz. Changed it back to 3.2 Ghz and everything was ok. Just a thought.
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/14 21:29:46
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Thanks people. Ill try to think in what youre saying. About the cpu speed I think everything works fine, with the cpu I used to have a phenom 2 x4 945 wich I couldnt overclock, I think I had the same problem. This one I have it running at 3.6, but Ill try that to.
post edited by gabomedellin - 2011/05/14 21:37:23
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gabomedellin
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Re:HELP!!!...Cant work in my project after freezing vsts.
2011/05/18 17:23:05
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Well I wanted to close this thread with a temporary work around for the problem I found which is to hide each freeze track with a folder track. When just one track is displayed, if I need to do some modification, is really not that bad, when all the tracks are hiding there’s no problem at all. Thanks every one for their help!
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