Featherlight
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Strange Control Bar behavior that affects mixdown time?? NOT FIXED
Heres a head scratcher, A 25-35 track project with a normal project workload for us ( gates on most tracks + eq and a guitar rig le or two, Busses have pro channels and a couple of perfect spaces) no additional VST's. When the project is expoted ( mixed down) with the following settings and no control panel visible, buisiness as usual: Channel format: Stereo Sample Rate: 44100 Bit Depth: 16 Dithering: none Mix enables: all buttons checked ( with the exception of Audible bounce and Live input ) Source Busses/Tracks: single stereo output from sound card. The only change is enabling the Control Panel and then mixing down and the mix takes over two hours to complete!!! Versus about 35 seconds with the control bar hidden??? I realise how crazy this sounds and we have checked all the obvious stuff like maybe one time we enabled a feature durring mixdown that was missed. But we have done about 20 times now!! And each time its repeatable. Anybody's experience with this odd behavior would be greatly appreciated, Thanks, Steve H.. Sonar X1b 64 bit but no quick fixes, Win 7 64 bit, no core parking or other mods to OS other than continuous power profile. No internet of any kind or other LAN, Audio only machine, Mackie 1060i.
post edited by Featherlight - 2011/04/29 20:02:07
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 16:33:39
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Yes, this was one of the first issues reported and confirmed as a bug by Cakewalk - But it was fixed, apparently in one of the quick fixes you haven't run yet.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 16:35:56
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Thanks for the heads up Randy, will give the quick fix a try!
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 19:52:52
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Just to report back for others that may be having this problem:
NOT FIXED!
Neither the 244 or the 246 hotfix patch resolves this problem. I can repeatedly cause this to happen. A project that was saved with the control panel hidden and then enabled and then exported to mixdown will cause this extended mixdown behavior.
Steve H.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 19:57:12
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We have tried this on the two other audio only machines here in the studio ( both Win 7 64bit ) and this is repeatable on them as well.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 20:42:08
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Featherlight
We have tried this on the two other audio only machines here in the studio ( both Win 7 64bit ) and this is repeatable on them as well.
Well dang! I thought this was listed as one of the resolved issues. With all the users here apparently using X1 on a daily basis, surely they'll come on the thread to confirm what you have. The only solution for now is to always collapse the control bar when exporting. And as I mentioned before, this was a confirmed bug way back maybe in December, certainly by January. Odd! Randy B.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 20:52:00
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Featherlight
We have tried this on the two other audio only machines here in the studio ( both Win 7 64bit ) and this is repeatable on them as well.
Well dang! I thought this was listed as one of the resolved issues. With all the users here apparently using X1 on a daily basis, surely they'll come on the thread to confirm what you have. The only solution for now is to always collapse the control bar when exporting. And as I mentioned before, this was a confirmed bug way back maybe in December, certainly by January. Odd!
Randy B.
you are right randy this was on the fix report and it was addressed.but i think you need to start a new project after the fix.cant work on an existing problem because its saved in the settings.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/29 20:58:43
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Very strange indeed!!
When the track count gets above about 10 or more, having the control panel enabled makes the export audio feature all but worthless in a production environment.
No that big of a deal to colapse the control panel untill your trying to export a 75 track project in front of clients and you make the mistake of leaving it open and have to call up task manager to cancel the program just to get your app back!! Yikes!! Not client friendly by any measure. What about the control panel could possibly be that resource intensive?
Would love to hear more on this from other users.
P.S. for what its worth, its almost worth the trade of FINALY being able to use V-Vocal as a legitimate recording tool, fantastic improvement from 8.5.3.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/30 03:50:52
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rbowser
Featherlight
We have tried this on the two other audio only machines here in the studio ( both Win 7 64bit ) and this is repeatable on them as well.
Well dang! I thought this was listed as one of the resolved issues. With all the users here apparently using X1 on a daily basis, surely they'll come on the thread to confirm what you have. The only solution for now is to always collapse the control bar when exporting. And as I mentioned before, this was a confirmed bug way back maybe in December, certainly by January. Odd!
Randy B.
I did a quick search, and the first hit I got was your thread asking why bounce was still slow after the X1a patch. Someone suggested increasing BounceBuffSizeMsec in AUD.INI, and you confirmed it was set to 5, and increasing it to 100 solved the problem. I run mine at 20, and haven't seen a problem, either. Just remember the bug with Bitbridged synths adding an empty buffer to the rendered audio. Good idea to use JBridge until they get this sorted.
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Re:Strange Control Bar behavior that affects audio mixdown time???
2011/04/30 13:04:29
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I did a quick search, and the first hit I got was your thread asking why bounce was still slow after the X1a patch. Someone suggested increasing BounceBuffSizeMsec in AUD.INI, and you confirmed it was set to 5, and increasing it to 100 solved the problem. I run mine at 20, and haven't seen a problem, either.
Just remember the bug with Bitbridged synths adding an empty buffer to the rendered audio. Good idea to use JBridge until they get this sorted.
Thanks, Brundle - Yes, I remember the thread you're talking about, about adjusting the BounceBuffSize in the .ini file. And then, as Chuck mentions, it was announced as either "addressed" or "fixed."-- It may be right that the update doesn't help on projects started previously to the fix?-- And your note here about bridged synths is probably a factor too. As Featherlight says, if someone is still having this bounce problem, it's great that the solution is to minimize the control bar - but what if you forget to, and clients are sitting there watching your software dud out? - This issue obviously needs to be ironed out so the bounce works in all circumstances. Randy B.
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