Working with drum samples in Home Studio

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2011/04/30 13:53:38 (permalink)

Working with drum samples in Home Studio

Hopefully I've posted this in the right section, if not I apologize. 
 
I have used the Blue Jay Drumkit soundfont by SonicImplants (renamed Sonivox I think) for years and years, and I'm ready to move on and get the drum sound I hear in my head.
 
But that's all I know...loading a soundfont and then playing my electronic drumkit to send MIDI notes over a MIDI cable to record MIDI drum tracks.
 
Now, I'm seeing all kinds of great drum samples on the net but I'm not understanding how to work with these samples.  I think the format is .WAV on some of these sample sets, but how do I get a pile of .WAV files to work like a drumkit? 
 
I'm not afraid to read, I'm just not sure what to read about.  Can anyone point me in the right direction? 
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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/04/30 21:37:34 (permalink)
    I'll tell you a little about the one I know.
    Cakewalk's Session Drummer 2 has a GUI with 10 slots (drum icons) to load samples into. Easy.
    I think most drum synths are similar in their operation.
     

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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/01 11:53:47 (permalink)
    which version of Home Studio do you have?  as greg said Session Drummer 2 or Studio Instruments Drums is a great place to start.  I think SHS7XL came with SI Drums, and I think SHS6XL came with Session Drummer 2, IIRC, but I could be wrong about those.

    If you don't have either of those, Session Drummer 2 is only $10 download from the cakewalk store
    http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/ProductInfo.aspx?productid=10-CPHH1.00-20E

    it's a fantastic program for starting out with softsynth drums.

    but if you have SHS7XL, I'd suggest just trying Studio Instruments Drums which came with your SHS7XL.

    once you've gotten the hang of that you might want to try EZ Drummer.  fantastic program!  lots of expansion packs for other good drum sounds!

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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/03 09:23:13 (permalink)
    Hey thanks fellas.
     
    Beagle, thanks a bunch.  I did exactly what you said and downloaded Session Drummer II.  Not too bad as far as keeping the samples simple to assign and so forth, but it appears to be missing out on depth and realism - the price for simplicity I guess.  Still I'll get some use out of it. 
     
    I'm wary about the sound quality I'll get once I scour the internet for sound samples and map them over.  Without the various velocity samples I can't help but imagine it's not going to sound too realistic - but I will certainly give it a try because it's very nice to use. 
     
     
    I ended up creating a different kit by loading about 5 soundfonts and creating a Custom Drum Map, sending the bass notes to one soundfont, the snare to another, the toms to another, and etc.  Hopefully that won't be too taxing on my system.
     
    Anyways, thanks a bunch.  I think an acoustic kit is really the answer here, but that will have to come later. 
     
     
     
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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/03 17:03:53 (permalink)
    I personally don't think it's really worth mapping custom drum samples.  I would rather pay another company (such as toontrack or Addictive Drums, Kontakt Battery, etc) because they have excellent samples recorded and nicely configured for me and I just tweak to taste.

    mic'ing an acoustic kit would be better, but 2nd best, IMO, is something like Superior Drummer (which is what I use).

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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/04 09:04:04 (permalink)
    Well let me ask some follow up then...I'm not familiar with working with any plugins in Cakewalk (by the way I'm using Cakewalk Home Studio 2XL, if that matters), so I'm not clear on how exactly Superior Drummer or something else integrates with it.

    Does Toontrack's Superior Drummer work with pre-existing MIDI tracks?  If I'm able to use a MIDI out cable to my soundcard to trigger softsynths and soundfonts currently, then can I expect to do that with Superior Drummer?

    I'm not a click and paste drum loop kind of guy - I like to play all of my parts using my electronic kit and then tweeking the imperfections and etc after the fact.  So, I've always resisted programs that seem to be geared for dragging and dropping loops and writing with the mouse. 

    Does it still sound like Superior Drummer would work for me? 

    My only other hesitation is that 250 bucks is a lot of money to "hope" they have my snare sound.  I've downloaded soundfont after soundfont and have been mostly disappointed and never blown away.  Is there somewhere to sample some of these sounds?  The snare in my head resembles Danny Carrey's on the Lateralus CD for Tool.   Seems to be hard to find that tone and attack, or whatever it is I'm hearing....
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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/04 09:20:14 (permalink)
    Do VSTi soft synths work with that software? Most new synths and effects are VST.

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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/04 10:12:54 (permalink)
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    Do VSTi soft synths work with that software? Most new synths and effects are VST.

    Yes they sure do.  The soundfonts I'm using at the moment are loaded via a VST called SFZ, I think.  I forgot where I got this stuff, as I downloaded and configured all of this years ago and never looked back...until now. 
     
     
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    Re:Working with drum samples in Home Studio 2011/05/04 14:45:08 (permalink)
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    Well let me ask some follow up then...I'm not familiar with working with any plugins in Cakewalk (by the way I'm using Cakewalk Home Studio 2XL, if that matters), so I'm not clear on how exactly Superior Drummer or something else integrates with it.

    Does Toontrack's Superior Drummer work with pre-existing MIDI tracks?  If I'm able to use a MIDI out cable to my soundcard to trigger softsynths and soundfonts currently, then can I expect to do that with Superior Drummer?

    I'm not a click and paste drum loop kind of guy - I like to play all of my parts using my electronic kit and then tweeking the imperfections and etc after the fact.  So, I've always resisted programs that seem to be geared for dragging and dropping loops and writing with the mouse. 

    Does it still sound like Superior Drummer would work for me? 

    Absolutely! you just have to have a drum map (which you might have to create) to map your electronic drum hits to the correct triggers in Superior.  there are user drum maps available which map GM mapped notes to Superior, but electronics kits often have different mappings than GM (which I've never understood - what's the point of a standard if none of the drum community follows it?).
     
    My only other hesitation is that 250 bucks is a lot of money to "hope" they have my snare sound.  I've downloaded soundfont after soundfont and have been mostly disappointed and never blown away.  Is there somewhere to sample some of these sounds?  The snare in my head resembles Danny Carrey's on the Lateralus CD for Tool.   Seems to be hard to find that tone and attack, or whatever it is I'm hearing....

    that I can't really help you with because only you know what sound it is you're looking for.  you can audition several of the kits and expansion kits on the toontrack site and see if anything sounds close.

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