Problem Glueing cut audio segments together.

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2011/05/01 04:55:04 (permalink)

Problem Glueing cut audio segments together.

Hi.  I'm new here so please forgive me, but I couldn't find an answer in the manual or searching the topics on here.

When I record an audio track into Sonar and then make two "cuts" and delete a section, I can't find a tool to join the remaining sections together perfectly without having to manually drag them both together.  If I drag the mouse around both clips it just moves them both together with the gab still in the middle of them, and there doesn't seem to be a tool to just automatically join them together when I "right-click"

I haven't enabled "snap to grid", because the tempo throughout the mix goes all over the place.  I am using Sonar 5 by the way.

Hopefully this is a simple function tool that I'm overlooking.

Thanks.  BX
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/01 08:52:12 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum!

    "Bounce to clips" is used for combining clips. 

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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/01 10:03:29 (permalink)
    For moving the clips next to each other, Sonar 8 has a snap option for "start or end of a clip". I believe that means you could turn off all the snap options except that one, and then moving one clip close to another clip will snap the two clips together. Haven't tried it; good luck.

    Maybe you also want to try "Snap to Audio Zero Crossings" when you are cutting clips so you can cut down on clicks/pops. See the manual section on "Defining and Using the Snap Grid".

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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/06 04:13:09 (permalink)
    Thanks for the welcome and the advise.

    Kalle - I tried both.  But "Bounce to clips" combines the clips as one track but still leaves the gaps in where I've deleted parts of the wave form, it doesn't move the chopped clips next to each other which is what I'm trying to achieve.

    Bvideo - Because the tempo changes allover as the songs change throughout the mix, I can't use the Snap to Grid options because I can't set a tempo for them.

    I just need to find a function where if I cut out a piece from the audio wave form, I can then just glue the remaining pieces together (as manually dragging them is really messy and is causing errors with small gaps or crossovers).

    Please help if you can. 




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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/06 06:52:13 (permalink)
    Snap to Grid is not a tempo based tool. It snaps to subdivisions of a measure. measure, Whole, Half, Quarter, etc.

    If you're trying to remove sections of a track the Edit>Delete feature can be very handy as you can select a portion of a track and delete it, and remove the empty space (hole) when you delete... having the effect of bringing the segments before and after the deleted segment together.

    This can sometimes have undesirable effects on the sound because it can leave you with very abrupt volume changes resulting in ugly sounding pops and clicks. To best blend in different segments of audio like this you can manually, or automatically, crossfade them. The first segment fades out as the next segment fades in. Done right the paste is seamless.

    One way to manually do this would be to select an area exactly one eighth note after the beginning of the segment you want to remove, and one eighth note before the end of the segment. Use snap to grid set to eighth so that the deleted portion was exactly on the off- beat.

    For example, let's say I want to keep measure 1 and 2, delete measure 3 and move the clip at measure 4 up to the beginning of measure 3. I would delete the section one eighth note after the beginning of measure 3 and one eighth note before the beginning of measure 4. After deleting that segment I would click and drag the clip starting at one eighth note before measure 4 so the beginning went to one eighth note before measure three. This would result in the audio that had started at measure 4 now starting at measure three and the audio one eighth note before and after the bar blending.

    To make the clips automatically crossfade that options has to be set in Options>Global>Editing. You can also click and drag the top corner of a clip to fade it in or out.

    This is just a general suggestion and the actual note increments you use can vary depending on the material and the tempo. Experiment and see what works best for you.

    Really, it sounded a lot simpler in my head.

    If your audio doesn't match the measures and beats at all it might be best to just delete the undesirable audio and remove the hole. Then if you have a problem with pops you can manually adjust the fade out/fade in of the clips you are joining.


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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/06 20:44:13 (permalink)
    BX,
    I was advising to turn off all the other snaps, including musical time, leaving just clip boundaries and zero crossings.
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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/07 09:04:51 (permalink)
    Moving clips together after deleting a part select the portion you want to cut out and choose "cut - delete hole".

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    Re:Problem Glueing cut audio segments together. 2011/05/10 10:22:38 (permalink)
    I almost always move to the clips to new tracks. Much more control over overlap, fades,...

    "Slide" works for moving clips by a set amount. Very useful.

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