Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs

Author
GlennKay
Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 143
  • Joined: 2011/02/19 06:20:16
  • Location: Toronto
  • Status: offline
2011/05/09 16:12:57 (permalink)

Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs

Greetings; I'm new to Sonar and i've done a couple audio pieces (blippy bleepy synth music) that are ready for mixdown. I'm not sure what the best way is to configure the ouput on my FX busses -- the default output routing is Analog Output 1+2, but if i go with this routing, there is no way to put any fx inserts on the final audio channel. (I'm talking about fx like stereo separation, limiter
 
I could route the FX buses to the Master bus, and insert my final fx on this channel. But to my ears, routing things this way doesn't sound as good...and if this were the way to go, why is the default bus output set to Analog Outs?
 
How do most people set up bus outputs?
 
Regards
Glenn 
#1

4 Replies Related Threads

    GlennKay
    Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 143
    • Joined: 2011/02/19 06:20:16
    • Location: Toronto
    • Status: offline
    Re:Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs 2011/05/10 12:09:34 (permalink)
    I'm going to answer my own question, for the benefit of any other newbies watching this thread....

    I did a search on 'bus' in all Sonar forums, and there were a number of statements along the lines of the following:

    "The master bus is the only bus that should go to your main outs," otherwise the final summing is done on the soundcard, rather than inside Sonar, which means no way of monitoring final levels.

    I could swear that when i listened closely, it sounded better when i routed busses to the Analog Outputs rather than to the master bus...but maybe that's because i don't have good levels on the tracks going into the busses.

    Regards
    Glenn
    post edited by GlennKay - 2011/05/10 12:14:56
    #2
    barusa
    Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 10
    • Joined: 2007/09/06 21:58:45
    • Status: offline
    Re:Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs 2011/05/13 17:02:41 (permalink)
    I am no means an expert, so feel free to take my opinion as far as you want.  I still consider myself an amateur who has primarily learned from the web and reading books.  After reading Mixing Audio: Concepts, Practices and Tools by Roey Izhaki, I developed a personal style of using Sonar for most productions.   I will provide my technique first then I will explain my reasoning why.

    My technique or I dare say rules are.

    1.  I never allow an audio track to play directly to the audio interface.  

    2.  I almost never connect an audio track directly to the master bus.

    3.  I generally create buses for instruments groups (percussion, melody, bass), frequency ranges (highs, mids, lows), and sometimes nested groups.

    4.  I apply filters to the audio track only if it applies to the general nature of the instrument.  (For example:  improving bass drum kick, making an instrument have an echo, etc.)

    5.  I apply mixing filters (equalizers, reverb, etc.) to grouping buses.

    6.  I occassionaly add mixing filters to audio tracks to build groups (For example:  balancing a bass drum, snare drum, and cymbal for the percussion track.)

    I learned a lot from the Mixing Audio book, but the biggest concept that applies to this discussion is that how mixing incrementally can influence your expectation of the end result.  By mixing incrementally I mean mixing a couple tracks together, then adding more tracks to the mix afterwards.  Another important detail to my technique is that I sometimes create different editions because of different venues (including portable devices versus CD's destined for good sound systems).  

    I try to develop each track as if the others tracks don't exist, making that track sound as loud and perfect as possible.  I leave the final mixing of the song as a whole to be the last step.  Thus, by having the buses grouped in meaningful sections means I don't have to search through possibly a dozen or more tracks to make simple adjustments.

    post edited by barusa - 2011/05/13 19:14:24
    #3
    GlennKay
    Max Output Level: -88 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 143
    • Joined: 2011/02/19 06:20:16
    • Location: Toronto
    • Status: offline
    Re:Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs 2011/05/14 06:22:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for the post...i find these to be useful tips, and i'll definitely try them out.

    Do you know if there is an electronic version of 'Mixing Audio: Concepts, Practises and Tools'?

    Regards
    Glenn 
    #4
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 16775
    • Joined: 2007/10/08 15:41:17
    • Location: Bristol, UK
    • Status: offline
    Re:Sonar X1 - How To Configure Bus Outputs 2011/05/16 12:05:12 (permalink)
    Yes, the Izhaki book does have a Kindle version:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mixing-Audio-Concepts-Practices-Tools/dp/B004H1TB3K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&m=A3TVV12T0I6NSM&s=digital-text&qid=1305561719&sr=1-3


    I could route the FX buses to the Master bus, and insert my final fx on this channel. But to my ears, routing things this way doesn't sound as good...and if this were the way to go, why is the default bus output set to Analog Outs?

    This is definitely the way to go.

    If it doesn't sound as good, then you're probably experience the louder = better phenomenen.

    Route all your busses to the master bus and start tweaking those sends!
    No busses are inserted by default (unless you're using a template) so Sonar has to route your tracks & busses somewhere, so the soundcard is the only place for them to go.
    post edited by Bristol_Jonesey - 2011/05/16 12:06:51

    CbB, Platinum, 64 bit throughout
    Custom built i7 3930, 32Gb RAM, 2 x 1Tb Internal HDD, 1 x 1TB system SSD (Win 7), 1 x 500Gb system SSD (Win 10), 2 x 1Tb External HDD's, Dual boot Win 7 & Win 10 64 Bit, Saffire Pro 26, ISA One, Adam P11A,
    #5
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1