spacey
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I need advice with software please..
I purchased an Alienware laptop for my grand daughter. She is and has been very talented with drawing/painting and has become very interested in computers. The M17x Soft-Touch has Win7 Home Premium 64 bit. ( and 3D) So I'd like to get some art software and not sure what to get. She's not into photography just drawing and painting. She already has a drawing tablet (Bamboo)...I haven't tried it with her new setup though. She's been using a Corel program with XP but it seemed pretty limited and would crash a lot....until it finally wouldn't even work with a re-install. All ears and apprciated any help. Michael
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Jonbouy
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 10:06:19
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Corel seem to have cornered the market there and bought out most of the most interesting programs in that market. Painter 12 is their top end product now which may be more than you want to spend. By all accounts it is supposed to be phenomenal and there's a free trial to be had too. Other than that Xara do one called Photo & Graphic Designer which is much more reasonable in terms of price and more geared toward illustration. http://www.xara.com/uk/products/designer/ Of course the Adobe range is still the industry standard if you can get her an educational licensed version of Photoshop or Creative Suite at a reasonable cost some familiarity there will stand her in good stead for doing computer based graphics as a career in the future. Liase with her school they may have some better ideas still.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 10:22:50
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Thank you Jon. I'll check all you've mentioned.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 15:12:26
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autodesk sketchbook not sure of the cost. I'm playing with the free app for the ipad. very impressed. the Ipad app, you can upgrade to pro for 4.99
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 15:45:45
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I have no idea, but I think you must be a cool grandpa. :)
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 19:20:42
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Thanks Mike. I like the looks of that. I'm going to try it out soon as I get a chance. Still have more to setup for her. And she wants the Wi-fi working so I have to figure that out...I'm getting old....er quick. Janet you'd never get her to say that, lol. She's 14. That about covers that huh?
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 21:19:57
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Alienware is a pretty awesome machine used to be for extreme gaming. I think their new 3D laptops are native 3D so all she should really need to game in 3D or watch 3D movies is the glasses. My friend is really into the art software and swears by Ulead software, but it looks like Coral took them over as well.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 21:52:51
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Your right Grant. It seems to be a bad machine. It came with one pair as was setup for 3d but I also got two extra pairs so her friends could join in. She isn't much for games but maybe they'll enjoy some movies with it. I'm going to have my wife check at school to see if we can get a student price for Adobe. Jon made a great point about Adobe and I should check that before doing anything.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 22:04:18
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Very cool Michael, you may want to check out Stereoscopic player. It is still about the best solution for viewing 3D content on PC. It required a 3rd party DVD encoder for DVDs. Cyberlink's is the best I've found for that, but there is a free encoder at the steroscopic player site that works OK and a lot of free HD 3D clips as well. Hope she enjoys 3D http://www.3dtv.at/Products/Player/Index_en.aspx If you're 3D system and card is nVidia you can get a free scaled down version of the player here http://www.nvidia.com/obj...deo_player_1.5.5a.html
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 22:04:20
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"Janet you'd never get her to say that, lol. She's 14. That about covers that huh" She'll figure it out before long I'm sure. :)
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/13 22:46:34
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My friend is really into the art software and swears by Ulead software, but it looks like Coral took them over as well. +1 Grant. I still use Ulead PhotoImpact but it never saw an update after X3 when Corel bought them out. Shame.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 00:00:09
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ohgrant Very cool Michael, you may want to check out Stereoscopic player. It is still about the best solution for viewing 3D content on PC. It required a 3rd party DVD encoder for DVDs. Cyberlink's is the best I've found for that, but there is a free encoder at the steroscopic player site that works OK and a lot of free HD 3D clips as well. Hope she enjoys 3D http://www.3dtv.at/Products/Player/Index_en.aspx If you're 3D system and card is nVidia you can get a free scaled down version of the player here http://www.nvidia.com/obj...deo_player_1.5.5a.html Grant it has that already. I just finished watching a little bit of Tron. Took a little to set it up....seems like they would have sent it ready. Just excellent 3D. I wear glasses and the 3D ones fit very nice right over them and don't even notice them. Thank you for the info though. Janet she takes breaks from being 14 and she's just a fantastic little girl. She's had my full attention since day one.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 08:16:18
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Hi Michael, From what you are explaining it seems like Painter is just the ticket. I also agree with Jonbouy that any skills gained regarding the Adobe suite will serve her well when she enters an art school or the job market. I learned Photoshop after extensive dark room experience and I use it more liberally now but it is NOT ideal for someone primarily interested in hand drawing and painting. I really enjoy Painter and sort of suspect that a young person might learn it more quickly than and older person with computer and photo edit experience. Painter has some unique approaches to managing layers and such and a naive person may actually grasp how they work better than someone trying to use their experience with Photoshop and it's clones to understand Painter. I find Painter a joy to use and I usually open it up when I want to simply enjoy having a creative moment of sketching or painting. Here's an example of painting I made with painter: When I work like that I think just like someone sitting at an easel with real paint. I also wanted to add... Good for you Michael!!! best regards, mike
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 08:21:25
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mike_mccue Hi Michael, From what you are explaining it seems like Painter is just the ticket. I also agree with Jonbouy that any skills gained regarding the Adobe suite will serve her well when she enters an art school or the job market. I learned Photoshop after extensive dark room experience and I use it more liberally now but it is NOT ideal for someone primarily interested in hand drawing and painting. I really enjoy Painter and sort of suspect that a young person might learn it more quickly than and older person with computer and photo edit experience. Painter has some unique approaches to managing layers and such and a naive person may actually grasp how they work better than someone trying to use their experience with Photoshop and it's clones to understand Painter. I find Painter a joy to use and I usually open it up when I want to simply enjoy having a creative moment of sketching or painting. Here's an example of painting I made with painter: When I work like that I think just like someone sitting at an easel with real paint. I also wanted to add... Good for you Michael!!! best regards, mike Bapu?
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 11:59:08
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+1 on the Adobe stuff, I've been using Photoshop for a couple versions now, and learning the CS4 Design package for about a year. Phenomenal stuff - and, as noted, a high expense. It's a real shame they (Adobe) don't release an "elements" version of Illustrator so that those with less financial ability can get a solid start and a taste of the larger edition. I used Photoshop Elements with very satisfying results for years before upgrading to the full package.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 14:43:38
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Thanks Mike and Russell. That's very cool Mike. I was looking at Corel Painter 12..I guess that's what you were referring too. ? The Corel Essentials quit working and I can't figure it out so she's been doing stuff on-line at Sumo Paint. Here is a sample...she likes "Sonic".. guess character stuff.. I'm thinking Adobe Illustrator CS5....am I thinking right? Here's one of works.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 15:10:02
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My father uses GIMP for drawing and image manipulation, although i think he is in the minority regarding his favored program. He also recommended Corel Draw. - And he hates Photoshop. He makes corporate designs, and our album art.
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Re:I need advice with software please..
2011/05/14 17:06:13
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Draw, Illustrator and Freehand are vector graphics programs specifically meant to produce scalable graphics that can look clean on a business card as well as a 30'x100' bill board or a big movie screen. They are really meant for people who specifically produce print graphics but are also useful for creating elements used in 2d motion graphic animations. I doubt that a young person would enjoy Illustrator. People that produce figurative illustrations in vector graphics programs are 2D design ninja graphics experts. The rest of the world uses Illustrator to make sure that the fonts are scalable in printing... and they usually depend on a raster editor to prepare all the figurative illustrations. Illustrator is not a fun program it is a professional tool that has very specific benefits. BTW my cousin was on the Illustrator dev team and I have lots of reasons to recommend it... but none really apply to turning a young person on to computer art. Photoshop is a dark room with lots of bells and whistles. If your core interest doesn't include processing photos then Photoshop may not be your preference. It is primarily designed to edit raster images and so the final output doesn't scale up very well... you have to work at the highest resolution you intend to use because you can only effectively shrink rather than blow up. Having said that, I use Photoshop like an office worker uses a word processor... to me it is a central feature of all my "graphics" work flow. Painter on the other hand is a program for the pure expression of drawing and painting. heck in painter you can even use a "brush" that leaves the "paint" so wet that it will drip. If someone enjoys drawing or painting then they will likely really enjoy Painter. I don't know Corel Draw very well... perhaps it has incorporated some of Painters tools? Photoshop has extensive painter style brushes... but it's all just added to the basic photo darkroom set up and so once you have used Painter the drawing tools in Photoshop just don't compare. I don't really know how to explain it any better. I got my first license for Painter with my Wacom Tablet... I upgraded a few versions back and don't have the latest because I just use it for fun and enjoyment and find it satisfying as is. anyways.... Good luck making a decision! best regards, mike
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