Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in?

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2011/05/13 13:46:28 (permalink)

Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in?

I've got tons of plugs in the file.

What's best, Process > Apply Audio Effects or just leave the plugs in?

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    chuckebaby
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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 14:20:12 (permalink)
    not sure what you mean?

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 14:25:53 (permalink)
    I do not ever use PROCESS>APPLY AUDIO EFFECTS simply because it's desctructive editing.  applying the FX directly means you no longer have the dry track to work with if you decide to change the settings of the FX later.  that's what the FX bin is for!  the FX bin is non-descructive and can easily be changed at any time.  if you need to reduce your resources, use the FREEZE function.  Freeze is still undo-able so it's not destructive either.

    but once you've APPLIED the FX it changes the wave file that you have forever.

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 14:58:14 (permalink)
    I know it's destructive, but this assumes you're happy with the mix or that Applying the effects will still leave enough headroom for change if you're not.

    I was really thinking about Sonar's performance and whether or not the sound is different once you've Applied. Audio Effects. It shouldn't be but you never know.

    I have eight 3.3 Intel cores and 12 gig of RAM so it's more of a curiosity question.
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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 15:22:09 (permalink)
    I'm struggling with a pathetically old and slow computer so I have used the apply FX's when I know what I want and know I won't need to change my mind latter. I always have back up copies of project that if need be I could import the un altered audio file from. . But..I only do this to instruments and would never do this to the vocals. Things like chorus on a guitar or EQ,  compressors are easy things to set in stone.
    Reverb/ delay I leave in the bin as I will use it globally. Nothing muddies up a mix faster that using a different spacial efx on each track. Guitar delay, for some odd reason, is the only exception to this (my) rule.
    I save a lot of pre sets and they are my go to EFX's for certain tasks.

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 15:22:53 (permalink)
    No, the sound won't be different.

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 18:59:07 (permalink)
    I find it a good practice to always clone, archive then hide a file that you are going to apply destructive editing, It's like audio insurance.

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/13 23:22:22 (permalink)
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    I find it a good practice to always clone, archive then hide a file that you are going to apply destructive editing, It's like audio insurance.

    Paul


    that's one way of doing.  i too lack the most ideal system for digital audio recording (compaq presario C700 1.86 GHz dual processor, 2 GB of ram).  the freeze option is my (and my plugins) best friend.  for years, i applied my audio effects to my mixes and re-saved them under a new name so the old track was archived without the destructive edit.  then, one of the archived mixes became corrupt and all i was left with was the new mix with the plugs applied to the multitrack and an old version of file saved on dvd from several months prior.  freezing has eliminated of few of the steps.  i still backup frequently, but for someone like me with an older laptop system, freezing has really helped.  i don't know why i didn't discover it sooner.

    freezing: it's for more than just soft synths! 

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/14 00:34:14 (permalink)
    The most complete way to do it is to apply the effects (I freeze them), copy and leave that in the project.  Archive the uneffected track (or midi track for the soft synth).  That way you have the track as you've mixed it, and a back up copy to go back and edit if you need to.  It also gives you an effected track to give to a third party if need be (remix, mastering, etc) as well as the dry track.  It only takes a few moments to do it this way.

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    Re:Apply Audio Effects or leave the plugs in? 2011/05/14 11:08:52 (permalink)
    In terms of sound quality and system resources, there is no difference between freezing a track and using Apply Audio Effects. The former is therefore preferred, so as to retain the option of changing your mind later.

    That's a good option to have even if you're happy with the track and don't think you'll ever change it. Experience has taught me to never throw anything away, even takes that have been eliminated as part of the comping process.

    My own exception to that rule is effects on individual clips, where I need to lock them down but not the whole track. Even then, I may keep a muted copy of the original clip behind the bounced version as a safety.

    (Many old-timers think this obsession with un-doability is lame. There was a time when it was necessary to record effects live during recording. That meant planning ahead and knowing just what effects would be needed and to what degree. To those guys, we are all indecisive wusses with too many options. And yup, that's a fair description of me.)


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