Skyline_UK
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Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
In previous posts I've described intermittent bugs I have with audio clips: (1) Process/Gain processes the left channel but mutes the right, (2) non-desctructive fades mute the clip where the fade in/out curve is. I haven't had anyone endorse these. I recently bought a new DAW - see my signature below. Here's the thing: I don't have these bugs on my previous DAW with the same Sonar X1 setup, an i7 quad core. I'm not a PC expert, so does anyone have any comments on whether the new DAW could be the problem?
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/17 15:00:21
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sound card / drivers perhaps
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/17 15:17:39
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/17 15:30:39
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that's been resolved. it's nothing to do with the chip.. rather the chip set (on the motherboard) it's attached to
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Skyline_UK
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/17 16:31:40
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Yes, it's a Sandy Bridge board from the new batches post-recall which started shipping in March. I bought the PC in April from DARC in the UK who specialise solely in DAW PCs, so the board and processor are fine. My previous PC had a M-Audio Delta 66 and for my new machine I thought I'd try the new Focusrite Saffire Pro 14 this time round. I can't think why and how a different interface can affect the way the Sonar program would work, but with the evidence that (1) the same Sonar X1 Build 246 installation (and Prefs) is on each machine, (2) I seem to be experiencing these particular glitches alone, (maybe as there aren't a lot of Sandy Bridge systems out there at there yet), I began to wonder if the new PC was somehow to blame. Or, maybe the Saffire Pro. I don't have sufficient knowledge to make a conclusion. Tomorrow I'm going to put the Delta 66 with the new DAW instead of the Saffire and see what happens; at least that will eliminate one possible cause.
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/17 17:18:02
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It's hard to imagine that hardware could cause those sort of bugs. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely. Have you tested the same project on both DAWs? Make a bundle file of an existing project under a new name, and try it on both. Do the bugs show up on the new DAW and not on the old? I've noticed some weird and un-reproducible behaviour in X1b build 246 when opening projects created with previous versions. The latest is metronome trouble with a project created in 8.5.3. If I start a project in X1b, I can't reproduce the problem. So my point is, make sure you test the same project on both DAWs. Good luck sorting this out. Cheers, Peter.
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Skyline_UK
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/18 03:25:19
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PeterMc It's hard to imagine that hardware could cause those sort of bugs. Not impossible, but pretty unlikely. Have you tested the same project on both DAWs? Make a bundle file of an existing project under a new name, and try it on both. Do the bugs show up on the new DAW and not on the old? I've noticed some weird and un-reproducible behaviour in X1b build 246 when opening projects created with previous versions. The latest is metronome trouble with a project created in 8.5.3. If I start a project in X1b, I can't reproduce the problem. So my point is, make sure you test the same project on both DAWs. Good luck sorting this out. Cheers, Peter. Thanks Peter. Yes, it is hard to imagine, and I think I'm clutching at straws in the face of a very weird situation. I just tried this: - Copied the AUD.INI file from the old PC to the new one just in case there was an obscure difference in the Preferences settings, etc. - (I'd already yesterday copied over the SONARPDR.EXE file). - Created a project on the old PC, just some guitar on one track. Checked the fade glitch wasn't there. All OK. Saved it as a bundle file. - Opened the bundle file on the new PC. - Fade glitch present... Conclusion: It can't be Sonar's fault. There's something wrong with the way Sonar is behaving in the environment of my new PC. This is really depressing as my new PC is extremely fast and in all other respects works just fine. Last ditch experiment for today: swap my M-Audio Delta66 interface into my new PC in place of the brand new Focusrite Saffire Pro 14.
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PeterMc
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 04:25:13
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I've just experienced a fade glitch with build 255. If I drag the fade-in of an audio clip to the right, the audio waveform fades starting at every quarter beat. The waveform looks like a sawtooth! This doesn't happen for a fade-out, and doesn't happen for a project started in X1 (this project started life in 8.5.3). HOWEVER, the sound is OK. It's just the waveform. So my question is whether your glitch is just visual, or audible as well? Also, does it happen in a project started fresh in X1? I've noticed a few weird happenings when editing a project started in 8.5.3. Cheers, Peter.
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Skyline_UK
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 05:38:32
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Hi Peter No, mine is audible. When I pull the curve into place the waveform changes to show the expected amount of attenuation, but there is no audio (and no meter activity) until the now time goes past the end of the curve at which point audio (and meter) suddenly comes back on. On a pre-X1 project I have a bizarre variation - is this what you have? See link to short screen video: Clip Glitch
post edited by Skyline_UK - 2011/05/21 05:43:49
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PeterMc
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 08:00:54
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Yes, that's it! Only difference is that mine repeats every crotchet while yours seems to be every marker. I put markers in but it made no difference. For me, this is a visual problem only, the audio behaves as expected. I just tried saving an 8.5.3 empty project from the normal template, opening in X1 and importing a single audio file. It doesn't do it. But if I empty out a project started in 8.5.3, save, open and import the same audio file, it does it. Damn these irreproducible bugs. Who'd be a programmer? Oh, wait, that's a lot of what I do... Cheers, Peter.
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 13:47:38
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Well, as far as this goes - A very knowledgeable computer guy is assembling a new computer system for me, and he said he isn't recommending Sandy Bridge to anyone - too "buggy" he said, and predicted I could have problems with Sonar and other CPU intensive programs. -- Randy B.
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 14:24:06
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Well I built a Sandy Bridge PC after the recall and it runs sonar like a champ. No Bugs here. If you tweak the bios right you should have no problems. the biggest changes performance wise came from turning of HPET in the bios. It cut my DPC latency in half and it now idles at 20 and maxes out at 100 with sonar running. I'm not sure what bugs there speaking of but besides myself I know a few other people running sandy bridge with great success also.
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 18:27:04
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Randy, Don't believe your computer guy. There's nothing wrong with the Sandy Bridge CPU's. If it was buggy, it would be all over the computer hardware websites and blogs and I haven't seen anything except for the issue with the Cougar Point chipset which was fixed. If there was issues with these CPU's, you wouldn't see the DAW makers that are on this forum recommending them since they have to support them. Jim
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Re:Bugs - can they be due to my new Sandy Bridge DAW??
2011/05/21 18:53:39
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--sub-topic, off-shoot of my thread in "Computers" about putting together a new system: Thanks for the input, Skyodelic and Jim - Having a new computer built for me is all in process, not happening before a month or so. Besides believing there's an unjustified prejudice against AMD, the main issue is my budget - I can't go over a certain amount - not without eating nothing but Top Ramen for the next year. So as of right now, I simply can't afford the various i7s being suggested here. We'll do the best we can to get the most we can with the money we have. We shall see. Randy B.
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