Metaphasic
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Serious V-Vocal questions.
Ok, so I recorded some vocal and made a v-vocal clip from it. I watched all the "tutorials" on youtube about it. While it seemed like they knew exactly what they were doing, and it made sense of video, I wasn't able to apply any of it to my real case scenario. I flat don't understand the interface. So here is a list of things I have questions about. [PITCH] 1) In the video the guy grabs whole section and just raises and lowers it. I can't seem to do this. I can select a section, but then I can't figure out how to move it. 2) When a clip is first loaded into v-vocal, it lines up with a given note on the left hand side. Ok. But when you maximize the screen, the note that it lines up with changes. ??? What is the significance of the notes along the left side? Also, if I use the scrollbar on the right side, the note it lines up with changes, but the pitch doesn't. Somebody explain please? [TIME] 1) Nothing I do, or click on, sets anchors for dragging. How do I do this? [DYNAMICS] 1) Ok, this is another dragging question. If I have a really load portion of a clip selected, how do I lower the relative volume? I've tried using the line and curve things, but honestly, the results are confusing and do not seem to have any relation to what I just drew. [GENERAL] 1) How do I delete preceeding and postceeding "noise" from a clip? Thanks!
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/05/17 19:22:45
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Serious Answers: [PITCH] 1) The best way to start working with pitch is to focus on the horizontal WHITE lines. These are the pitch "centers" that V-Vocal has detected. Hover over the line and you should see your cursor change to an up/down arrow. When this happens, left-click once. At this point, just sit back and appreciate the magic. You will see the whole detected note highlighted. This will save you tons of time selecting by trial and error. Now go back the same way and grab that white line, and now drag it up and down. This is how you move the pitch of the whole detected note. While you're at it, take a look at the tool selector on the left. You have choices of center pitch, vibrato (sinewave), eraser, etc. TBH, the only ones I ever use are the pitch and vibrato. Select the vibrato tool, and now do the same hover-and-drag move with that tool. Now you can control the vibrato amount of the entire note, and naturally. To change the pitch/vibrato of a piece of a note, go to an open area of the screen and drag across (left to right). This will highlight the time span of your change. Now repeat the hover-and-drag operation. Voila'. 2) What you're seeing are the effects of vertical and horizontal zoom. When I create a V-Vocal clip and the editor window opens, the first things I do are maximize the editor window (in my case, on a second monitor), then I hit Shift-F. Try it, you'll like it. If you need finer control over Zoom, just search for the Zoom controls in teh V-Vocal help.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/05/17 19:27:38
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[TIME] Click on the middle line, in the middle of the displayed audio. You will see your time markers appear. You want to make three markers: left and right markers for the "fixed" endpoints. The middle mark for where you want the time to be "moved". You will drag the middle mark around to adjust the timing. [DYNAMICS] Once the time for dynamics has been selected (left-to-right drag), grab the middle line (again, where the audio is displayed) and drag it up and down. Once dragged, nodes will appear. You can drag either node to create linear fades. [GENERAL] See [DYNAMICS]
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Metaphasic
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/05/17 19:39:59
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Ok. After reading this, and playing with it, I got it. One of the things that confused me was that initially, I couldn't make the <|> things appear. Then I realized your cursor has to be in the relative middle of the screen. Not very intuitive, but now that I have it, I'm good. Thanks again.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/05 17:01:58
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Just wanted to make sure I had this clear about V-vocals. When you first right click a track and turn it into a V-Vocal, is it correct that you shouldn't hear any changes? The changes only come when you zoom in on individual notes and shift the horizontal white line up or down to be in better accord with the gridline just above or below it which are the pure notes as defined by frequency. Is that right? Is there any way to automate this process of forcing your vocals to equal or approximate the pure notes as defined by specific frequencies? I guess that would be like how quantize works on midi. (Note - I'm not really trying to crush the human element out of singing; I just want to understand how V-Vocals works so I can figure out whether or not to use it) Thanks
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/05 22:02:32
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/06 01:28:09
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rosefam6 - Fabulous! I had read the manual sections previously (or the sections available through the help menu), but your link was far moire informative and have things working now. Thanks so much.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/06 13:41:04
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Is there any way to automate this process of forcing your vocals to equal or approximate the pure notes as defined by specific frequencies? Yes, but avoid the temptation to do so if you want your edits to sound natural.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/06 14:17:54
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/07 06:11:19
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You need to listen to the original performance CAREFULLY and decide which notes are audibly flat/sharp and ONLY correct those - and even then, DON'T align them to the exact pitch. No singer in the world will land dead on the "correct" pitch so as Bitflipper say quite rightly - tread carefully, otherwise you'll end up with that dreadful Cher effect.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/08 10:28:03
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2 more VVocal questions: 1) Do you need to Bounce the VVocal to Clip before applying any audio effects (like VX64 Vocal Strip)? 2) Do you need to bounce VVocal (or other effects) to clip before Exporting Audion to a WAV file 3) In an earlier reference to Scott Garrigus's Power Sonar X1 book, he suggested settings for VVocal (including PitchFollow of 0, Note 70-90, Vibrato 100, Sense 30) - If you use those settings (the Note 70-90 I guess), doesn't that stop VVocal from making the pitch corrections dead on and making the recording sound overly processed? (I'm a writer, not a singer, but I'm recording some songs and I'd rather not inflict any violence on my potential readers' eardrums. Thanks for any feedback.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/08 10:46:59
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1 - Nope 2 - Depends. I am fortunate enough to have a system that can cope with 60+ live, unbounced clips on the go in a project, yet other people have instability problems with just 1 or 2. Experiment. see what works for YOU 3 - Probably, though in my opinion, you'll get better results from not using the auto correct facility and doing it manually
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/08 11:06:19
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Thanks. Have been going through manually just to get a feel for the workflow. Thanks for the reply.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/08 13:27:35
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I have my V-Vocal set up how I want it, but there are occasional random noises on the clip in between the vocals which I need to remove. I can achieve this reasonably well by setting a Volume envelope. If I try to bounce to clip, however, to explore other options, I get a circle with a red line through it after the bounce and a Fade In is applied which I don't seem to be able to adjust. Have tried several times and keep getting these results. Any idea what's wrong or how to fix it?
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/09 05:21:28
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The circle with a line through it indicates the clip is muted. This is normal when working with V Vocal. If you enable layers on the track, you'll see 2 clips - one muted (the original raw track) and the V-Vocal track. Do your editing before applying V/V to the clip, bounce down, then apply V/V. I have never seen V/V applying a fade, so can't help you there my friend. This is not normal behaviour.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/06/09 22:27:30
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mosk 2 more VVocal questions: 1) Do you need to Bounce the VVocal to Clip before applying any audio effects (like VX64 Vocal Strip)?
MHO: YES! V-Vocal uses serious system resources. I always bounce to clip when I'm satisfied with the edit. 2) Do you need to bounce VVocal (or other effects) to clip before Exporting Audion to a WAV file
Audion? Hmm... I consider V-Vocal a special case and *always* bounce to clip b4 doing anything else.
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Re:Serious V-Vocal questions.
2011/09/03 21:16:08
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I guess it'd be way easier to learn how to sing in tune...
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