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Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
I recently got a bcf2000, which I am loving with X1 for controlling track functions. It would be nice to have a 2nd controller dedicated to plug-in management. Any recommendations? Main considerations are ability to recall settings, ability to control ProCh, and price (sorry can't afford a mcu). 
post edited by osd - 2011/05/17 16:22:15
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/17 16:30:17
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I agree. I use a BCF for SONAR but it's paging functions for plugin control (as well as the BCR, even with AJ's surface) are a bit cumbersome. Not really a fault of the unit since it's so compact and cheap.
Having a second, small, knob-tastic controller for plugins would be rad. The Nocturn is quite an appealing unit, but I suppose that's a few years old now.
I have one of the those super-tiny Korg keyboard controllers ("nano", "micro"... I can't keep track) and I'm pretty sure they make a knob-only one.
But I'm curious to what others say...
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/17 19:10:57
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I do not own one but have been eyeballing the BCR2000 for this purpose Its like the bcf but no faders, only lots of knobs.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/17 19:30:57
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I have two BCF and also a BCR and set up the BCR to control the FXs and pro channel (using the learn mode in X1). Once everything is mapped, I can move to other channels and control subsequent the FX or PC. (I’ve also used AJ surface plugin which is nice, but does not work with the PC). As an aside, I also have Presonus Studio One Pro and have that mapped as well for the BCFs and BCRs. A few button clicks and I can work either DAW with the BCF/BCR. Studio One has a rather nice surface mapping interface. I agree it is a bit awkward and maybe not as slick as a dedicated control surface like a V Studio, but hey, the cost is amazing. I also picked up a NanoKontrol from Musicains Friend (couldn’t pass it up for $30) and it map great for the first 8 channels, but you need to set up scenes for subsequent channels – have not done that yet since my BCF/BCR solutions work great. If I need more knobs, I may try mapping it to some other plugins, but so far I don’t. Now if they would just write a driver for my AlphaTrack  Take care, g
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/17 20:38:11
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I control my channels with the alphatrack and use an Akai LPD8 for plug in control. knobs and pads only but for 50 bucks does a good job.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 10:36:08
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is the bcr a reliable controller for the PC?
does it remember everything once you map it?
i would buy a bcr just to use it exclusively with the PC if i knew it was reliable and predictable.
tell me it's true!
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 10:43:21
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curious about this also
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 11:03:55
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NI Kore 2 is the best for plugin management and playing imho
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 12:18:27
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but kore isn't exactly cheap.. I have it also.. but use a nocturn on my other machine instead of the kontroller when moving about (i'd rather not damage the kontroller in transit)
I use some of the novation stuff also.. nocturn / sl25 mk 2 / launchpad
so they might also do something to suit as well
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 13:07:51
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Well if you have it anyway price doesn't matter - lots of people use Kore 2 live, its pretty robust (much more than the Nocturn)
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 14:14:10
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BlixYZ
is the bcr a reliable controller for the PC?
does it remember everything once you map it?
i would buy a bcr just to use it exclusively with the PC if i knew it was reliable and predictable.
tell me it's true!
I was able to map my BCR2000 to the Pro Channel using MIDI Learn and it worked well. That is until I closed X1 and opened it back up. The settings didn't stick. I gave up after too many failed attempts. And don't even get me started on the near useless ACT. Perhaps someone has had better success than I.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 15:12:13
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Yes, I was able to map the PC with the BCR and it worked after a restart – maybe I am lucky! The BCR mapping needs to be a bit odd, since the PC has more knobs vertically than the BCR, but it works once you get it set up.
As I mentioned, it also works well with Presonus S1. I am using the latest Berhinger drivers. Oh yea, I am running XP Pro 32 bit SP2 on an Quad Core bare bones I purchased from Tigerdirect (Asus Mobo).
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 15:12:41
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BlixYZ
is the bcr a reliable controller for the PC?
does it remember everything once you map it?
i would buy a bcr just to use it exclusively with the PC if i knew it was reliable and predictable.
tell me it's true!
I was able to map my BCR2000 to the Pro Channel using MIDI Learn and it worked well. That is until I closed X1 and opened it back up. The settings didn't stick. I gave up after too many failed attempts.
And don't even get me started on the near useless ACT.
Perhaps someone has had better success than I.
The threads I dug up on the bcf and bcr seemed to indicate the bcr had much more trouble with losing its settings, which kept me cautious to add the all-knob controller. Kore2 actually looks kind of cool, probably overkill, but.... :)
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 18:03:02
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Maybe you should save your work as a template? So the learned knobs gets saved with it?
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/18 19:54:04
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Yeah the BCR is prone to controller resets within SONAR.
I suppose if I used AJs surface and left it in plugin mode only it would work, but wrasslin' with the BCF and BCR together is a pain. I had conflicts with USB, within the controllers themselves, and SONAR constantly being a pain about it.
Using the BCR as an ACT surface is a waste too, you can only use about half the unit's controls at any one time, a total bummer!
I can't believe Behringer discontinued the BCx line, they were immensely popular and with a second iteration and some driver improvements I think they could've cornered the market for the mid-sized controller.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 09:05:45
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at wicked
i TOTALLY agree. there is a dire need for flexible control surfaces. i have the mackie C4 and its great, buut it doesnt work with the PC. i used to own the bcf and bcr but i sold them because behringer had stopped supporting them.
the bcr is SO popular still- still selling well- WHY would they give up on it? they could sell thousands more if they kept it up to date.
many of the CSs, like the kore 2, look cool, but just dont have enough knobs and buttons for larger plugins.
my current plan is to get a bcr and try to set it up as a DEDICATED controller for the prochannel.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 11:43:29
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unfortunately, Kore doesn't really work the way it should in an x64 environment; only currently use it as a librarian & generic MIDI controller . . .
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 11:53:10
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Does anyone here have any experience and recommendations using a Novation Remote Zero SL (original version) as a controller with Sonar? Same primary interest as original poster - looking for a decent plugin / loop controller for X1, to be used along side an Edirol PCR-M30. (Yeah, I know, they're both "old" - but they're paid for!!  ) Thanks! RR
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 14:57:02
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Can you be more specific about what isn't working with kore2 on 64-bit? Is it not able to retain settings?
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 20:25:30
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novation + automap way better specially cause you se parameters name displayed , unlimited pages of controlls , dynamic mapping (like act) , plugin actif is mapped ....
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/19 21:29:13
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I use a Korg nanoKontrol as a controller for plug-ins.
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/20 08:54:24
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+1 korg nankontrol
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Re:Hardware controller.... for plug-ins?
2011/05/20 14:58:00
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...wicked
Yeah the BCR is prone to controller resets within SONAR.
I suppose if I used AJs surface and left it in plugin mode only it would work, but wrasslin' with the BCF and BCR together is a pain. I had conflicts with USB, within the controllers themselves, and SONAR constantly being a pain about it.
Using the BCR as an ACT surface is a waste too, you can only use about half the unit's controls at any one time, a total bummer!
I can't believe Behringer discontinued the BCx line, they were immensely popular and with a second iteration and some driver improvements I think they could've cornered the market for the mid-sized controller.
Actually, you can customize the BCR's buttons in the BCR editor plugin. I do not think it is supported anymore, I've had my controller since 2005, but there is a more up to date one...I think it is called BC Manager, or something like that. It is also explained in the manual ( but I found the manual too technical for musicians) You can customize the BC button functions, which will affect how they appear in Sonar, then you can make more ACT based functions. I changed mine, cloned them to all the presets on the BCR, and now it works very solid as an act, and/or MIDI controller
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