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2011/05/18 09:59:13 (permalink)

mon-stereo

If I change a mono to stereo is there any way to change one side to get the "presence" of a normal stereo track?
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    Chappel
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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 10:09:13 (permalink)
    You can put a small amount of delay on one side. Not as in echo, but as in having one side play a fraction of a second after the other. I was looking at the Voxengo StereoTouch plug-in and this is one of the ways it processes audio to create a stereo image from a mono track.

    You might even want to try out the plug-in, even if only to see what it does and how it does it.

    http://www.voxengo.com/product/stereotouch/
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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 12:30:29 (permalink)
    There are a few plug ins that claim to spread the stereo image and like Chappel  I believe they just delay things a bit. Stereo chorus is another way to turn a mono signal into stereo. Any mono signal run into a stereo spacial  EFX will become stereo.
    For guitar tracks it's fun to play with re-amping.
    Now it's done with software but I used to send the guitar feed from the mono recording ( tape) into an amp in the live room. Placing mikes around the room at different distances from the amp. Then bring say, 6 channels back to the mixdown desk and play with the stereo image. This was in the days when track count was precious. Not sure how you would do it now internally.

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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 16:07:22 (permalink)
    I went to try the suggestions here. If I try to use Audio Editor, (Coolefeit 2000), then Cooledit has a hissy fit and shuts down. So I export the mono track but it exported as stereo???). The two stereo tracks look identical. It looks like mono in Sonar and I can't get it to change. After I exported I could get it into cooledit and dinged around trying to delay one track a little but there isn't a nudge thingy in cooledit so I'm trying to cut and paste one track a little later and so far it's just ugly.

    I think maybe Cooledit can't take it out of Sonar because I did a lot of nudging on it to line it up. It's a vocal track and off beat quite a bit. I'm wondering if the export preserves the nudging. Does it?

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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 16:55:28 (permalink)
    Does Cool edit show in your "tools" drop down menu?
    For wave editing tracks I do not use export, I use the Tools and for me Wave Lab is on that list. I think Cool Edit will be on the list.

    Highlight the track
    Tools Menu
    Cool Edit 

    It will open as a "tool copy" in the editing program and if it was a Mono track it will be Mono. At least that's what Wave Lab does. 
    Edit the track and save it within that software.
    When you return to the Sonar screen ( from the lower task bar)  it will ask you if you wish to re load the file, say yes. 
    Just be aware that once you save the project that the changes will now be permanent.
    So you could do a "save as" and re name the project as to keep the original.



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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 17:22:00 (permalink)
    John6528


    If I change a mono to stereo is there any way to change one side to get the "presence" of a normal stereo track?
    John
    Here's a technique described in a recent issue of Sound on Sound.  I believe you have all the tools in Sonar Producer to do this, but it takes several plugins.
     
    Delay the mono signal 20 to 50 milliseconds and put a high pass filter on the delayed portion to remove anything below 100 Hz (as I recall ... maybe want to set that ever higher).  Let the undelayed signal become the M part of an M/S stream and the delayed and filtered one become the S part.  Season to taste with the signal level on the S part.  Reconstruct the M/S signal as stereo.  Result is complementary comb filtering that can be collapsed to mono with no degradation but has audible tonal differences between the L and R stereo channels.  I'm pretty sure Channel Tools will do the M/S to stereo reconstruction, but I've not actually tried this.
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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/18 17:32:24 (permalink)
    Another option would be to clone the mono audio track in Sonar, adjust the panning, and either nudge one back or change the start time in the clip's properties. If you left them on separate tracks you could further process them individually, or bounce them to a stereo track. Or both. The stereo chorus method suggested by Cactus Music is a great option. Use a slow subtle chorus and it will mimic how sound changes as you move your head, move around, etc. Or send the new tracks to a bus with a stereo chorus, or other processing. There are plenty of options there and experimentation is needed to see what works best for you.
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    Re:mon-stereo 2011/05/19 10:08:21 (permalink)
    Got a stereo version into cooledit. Cooledit2000 has a nifty  delay function. You can delay ether track by whatever you want then mix them any proportion you want. I found a delay of 30ms left track and a 50/50 mix worked pretty well. I can see I could spend hours dinging around with it though. Also tried inverting one track but that didn't work. Tried adding some reverb to one tract too then decided I had better things to do. So I didn't get to using high pass filter as someone suggested.

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