Need some help with mixing levels

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2011/05/19 11:15:25 (permalink)

Need some help with mixing levels

Hi all
 
Whenever I mix a song and play it on various systems (ipod, pc, in my car etc) the quality is variable. For example, sometimes it  sounds very bass-heavy, other times the drums are too soft, other times the overall volume is a bit  soft (e.g. on iTunes) and on other systems (e.g. reverbnation) it sounds fine etc etc.
 
Any tips on:
1. How to get a consistent audio experience across different audio systems?
2. How to ensure that the volume is at a good level so that I don't have to pump up the volume on my pc etc? On Sonar my levels are always at -3db btw.
 
Thanks!
 
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    Beagle
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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/19 11:57:50 (permalink)
    bass is the most typical problems with home mixing.  mostly due to improper listening environments.  a spare bedroom is not usually the best environment.  room treatment for bass trapping and mid-range traps are very helpful with mixing.  good near field monitors are essential, preferably with 8" woofers and/or a sub.

    in the meantime, you have to just learn your room.  burn your song to a CD, take it to various other mediums and environments and make notes.   listen in the car, in the living room stereo, on a boom box, on an iPod, etc and make notes about the differences and make adjustments in the mix, then do it again and again until you have a decent mix that translates to different systems.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/19 17:51:25 (permalink)
    1. Tune your room
    2. Get decent studio monitors
    3. Train your ears to the tuned room

    Its that easy. Its not brain surgery. if you can hear the true sound, you can mix ait the way you want it by using your ears.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/19 18:05:55 (permalink)
    Ditto what is said above 100%. It's not something that comes overnight. But what you will strive for is with the right room and monitors you will eventually "know" when it's right every time. ( well ok,, 90% )  I don't know what will happen to me when my NS-M 10's die. I'll have to start from scratch with new monitors and will expect it to take a few months.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/31 02:50:09 (permalink)
    Thanks guys

    I have some fantastic monitors (Genelec 8030A) and tend to listen on my earphones, then my monitors then my laptop etc so I guess it is just a case of trying out different things until I get the right balance.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/31 11:44:57 (permalink)
    Some real gems in this thread: http://www.gearslutz.com/board/mastering-forum/64536-anyone-using-k-14-metering.html

    Understanding the relationship between what your meters are showing and the volume in your room is really helpful when aiming for consistent mixes.

    Bear in mind that, when uploading to various websites, many do unspeakably horrible things to your audio and will respond differently on a site by site basis so you may want to test with a couple of 'finished' mixes at different levels to see what works best for you.

    Transferability (making it sound good on the whole range of outlets) is a harder task and a lot of it is in what CJ says. I would add to that, that as well as a good set of monitors in a well treated room you might want to get yourself a crap pair of monitors to use as 'reference' speakers so you can hear in advance what your sonic masterpiece will sound ilke out of the kitchen radio at the other end of the garden.

    If you like a bit of DIY I can wholeheartedly recommend the 'killatone' project, designed by Thomas Barefoot. They're very easy to build and are awesome for getting the midrange and dynamics of a song right (particularly for placing vocals etc).

    One other tip for when mixing, keep flicking back to mono to make sure your mix is still working right (this is kind of an extention of the reason for having 'reference' speakers).

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2011/05/31 12:46:47 (permalink)
    It is hard to find a decent medium - what works in the control room vs. real life.  Having a balanced listening enviornment works (that includes speakers).  Then learning how that translates to different environments - car, living room, ear buds, etc.  There is no shortcut, just quality time.  A good tool is to listen from the other room.  Bass and vox tend to fail if there isn't enough there.  all those become a feedback loop so you learn how your speakers/room sound compared to the infinate variables out there.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2012/05/20 22:10:48 (permalink)
    Hello all, I'm having this issue to but I'm relatively new and so I'm just getting ramped up and learning. I do notice that when I take the recording (in WAV format) and then turn it into mp3 or m4a there's the sonic quality that's lost. 

    So what do you guys do/recommend putting the finished format in? Thanks
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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2012/05/21 04:14:29 (permalink)
    So what do you guys do/recommend putting the finished format in? Thanks


    This depends on what you want to do with your finished project

    If you intend it to be uploaded to one of the many online sites, then most of them will only accept mp3. If this is the case, then you need to choose the most accurate algorithm that you intended upload site supports: many people reckon there is no sonic difference between a 320Kbs mp3 and CD

    If it's only for your own listening then CD is the way to go, 16bit @ 44,100KHz

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2012/05/21 08:43:22 (permalink)
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    Hello all, I'm having this issue to but I'm relatively new and so I'm just getting ramped up and learning. I do notice that when I take the recording (in WAV format) and then turn it into mp3 or m4a there's the sonic quality that's lost. 

    So what do you guys do/recommend putting the finished format in? Thanks

    mp3's are compressed - you should notice a degredation going from waves to mp3's. 
     
    Bristol Jonsey is right - it depends on what your goals are for your music.  if you intend to sell your music on iTunes then you have to go mp3.  if you intend to create a CD then you MUST use 16bit/44.1kHz - that's the redbook standard.
     
    for mp3's the higher the "bitrate" the better the mp3.  128k mp3's are pretty bad when you compare them to the wave files.  320k are not bad at all, and in fact I can't always tell the difference between a 320k mp3 and a wave file.  but of course the bigger the bitrate, the larger the file.
     
    some streaming websites only allow 128k (myspace, soundclick...) other streaming sites allow higher (reverbnation) and some even allow wave files (soundcloud).  but also the larger files take up more bandwidth to stream or download.  people with lower bandwidth capabilities won't be able to stream a wave file because it will pause often to try to catch up.

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    Re:Need some help with mixing levels 2012/05/24 17:18:45 (permalink)
    And, if you want to know more, that is what's necessary to get decent mixing skills, I recommend Mike Senior's Mixing Secrets for the Small Studio. There you'll find everything these knowledgeable and experienced gentlemen told you and a very thorough and wide treatment of what home brewed production's problems are and how to overcome them. I got it from Amazon for $25 (used copy like new) shipping included. I think I made a very good investment. The subject on hand is treated in a very casual manner, sans much mathematics (a minus from my point of view) but to the point. Of course there are other books, but IMHO this one is among the best. Another one, if you dip your hand into the symphony orchestra (even if it's only pop), then Andrea Pejrolo's Acoustic  and MIDI Orchestration for the Contemporary Composer comes to mind as a very good introductory book. One needs to know orchestral instruments' characteristics and techniques prior to reading this book. S.
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