dappa1
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Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
Lexicon do reverbs which is nigh on possible to beat, they add to the tone or message of the song that you maybe singing. Unfortunately, not everybody writes songs that reflect the state of the world that we live in. Core songs are about Love, money, Sex. How many of us sing about world issues, Fear of losing loved ones, possessions, homelessness, Racism etc, etc. I have never heard a song about Racism go to number one and with political agendas and political correctness, I wonder why this is? I think Racism is a (disease)/agenda with motives that are somewhat hidden and cannot be spoken about openly political correctness hides our true motives at times too and because whether we admit it or not, it exists. In every corner (supposing that the world is not round) of the earth, even in these forums. I myself have often wondered about writing a song that touches on this subject, my question is what reverb would best bring out an important message like this one. Some song writers would not worry about the process but I believe that there is a process for touching on serious topics and pushing for these types of songs to be brought further into the public domain instead of sandwiched between excrement which only purpose is top ten commercial succes. So what reverb do you use on songs that you would deem as having a serious message behind it?
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brew58ski
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/20 07:19:20
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I belive the song "What's goin' on" by, I think, Marvin Gaye touched on many things like racism. I don't know if it went to number one. In fact I think during the "60's & 70's there were many songs like that. I do agree that given the times we are in,most songs are more about "me" and less about "helping you". And there is no doubt racism still exists although I think it's better than it was. I don't know if you'll ever get rid of it. It seems there's always that one person or group of people you just can't reach.
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SteveGriffiths
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/20 13:34:47
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War - Edwin Starr. Lady In Black - Uriah Heep - same message, totally opposite ends of musical spectrum. Not racism but a serious topic nonetheless. As far as reverb goes, it really depends - like for any song - where you picture your message being delivered. Smoky club - small room, Large Arena / political rally - large hall. Voice of God- Cavernous etc. A studio crafted song that is supposed to sound like a produced message - plate. Personally I don't think the message dictates the reverb - it is where you want your audience to hear you. On a side note I am the performer and engineer on a daily broadcast into Second Life - www.secondlife.com . Basically live vocal and guitar over self made back tracks or looper tracks. All the venues in second life are created by the residents and vary from coffee shops to arenas to underwater venues (you haven't lived until you have played to mermaids lol). For this reason, other than fx type reverb on guitars etc. my back tracks are almost bone dry. I add the verb at performance time and will vary it to match the "room" I am performing in. Rather nice to be able to create your environment instead of fight it. Cheers..Grif
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/20 14:18:52
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first, the reverb has nothing to do with the theme of the song, but must fit in style of the music. I mean, we expect God (and monster truck commercial announcers) to have a booming voice w/ matching reverb, but that is character, not theme. I don't see one having anything to do with another. As to point 2 - why hasn't racism been a popular topic in popular music? - it has. What was Elvis' song about the kid in the City? Not to mention Stevie Wonder's. Black and White by 3dognite was a big hit. And didn't sir Paul do one, too? I don't know if they were #1s, but all those hit the top 10. I don't know about B. Holliday's "Strange Fruit," but it is a famous song. But none of them shared a reverb. I would think today it would be hard to get as stirred up about racism on a culturally wide level. TOpics have their time, and anti-racism was important in the 60s/70s. Not that there isn't racism today, but writing about it wouldn't strike the wide chord it did then. There were lots of patriotic songs written up to WWI, but charging into machine guns took the shine off of such music. You don have The Green Berets song etc., but it is almost an unintential parody. And Anti-war stuff was at its height after WWI, butafter "All quiet on the Western Front" and book iv of Pound's "Hugh Selwyn Mauberley" there ain't much more that can be said on the topic without repitition. @
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dappa1
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/20 15:08:22
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Capturing a sound an era a message that is brought back to life! I think is an essential part of music as we all have songs that bring us back or to a certain place in time. What is music if we cannot delve into real life whats goin on topics. I think the world needs to have a so called reformation of musical structure to ake it to the next level. Personally I am not feeling the wishy washy hi techno sounding rubbish (gaga) reciprocal type of so called anthems that even written on a piece of toilet tissue would be classed in my opinion of making the tissue paper of less value then when it has been thoroughly used and discarded.... But thats just my take on it :)
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/21 03:16:30
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When Zappa wasn't writing songs about sex, the vast majority of the rest of his immense output usually focussed on cencorship in all it's various guises, including racism, politics, along with more seriously tabboo subjects like incest Although "Not Strictly Commercial", many of his commentaries were acerbic & cutting to the extreme. Matt Groening, lifelong Zappa fan said that FZ would pick on targets that the Simpsons creator wouldn't dream of picking on, and FZ himself sadi "I'm virtually unrepentant" We need strong people to deliver the message that most of human activity is completely absurd and without merit
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/21 03:50:44
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A couple of references for ya. James Brown - Say it Loud I'm Black and I'm Proud Pubilc Enemy - Fight the Power (and indeed the whole 'Fear of a Black Planet' album, which has sold over 2m copies) Sly and the Family Stone - Everyday People Bob Dylan - Blowing in the Wind Labi Siffre - Something Inside So Strong The Impressions - People Get Ready (ok it went to number 3 but it's a monster track, look how many people have covered it since) KRS1 - Why is that (again probably didn't do No1 but is a powerful and eloquent dissection of structural racisim) Quite a diverse crowd so sorry it's not going to help with the reverb question as others have already stated; it's going to depend how you choose to articulate your ire that should steer how you generate the aesthetic space it sits in. Child
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Re:Lexicon plugs to set mood of the song
2011/05/21 04:34:17
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Some fantastic songs, superb examples - but they are almost all from a long time ago, a different era. Where are today's protest songs? Where are today's Frank Zappa, Bob Dylan, Sly and the Family Stone, Curtis Mayfield? I hope there are some - maybe I just don't hear them because they are not in the mainstream. A few years back I was involved in a stage production where we did "What's Going On" and "Move on Up". A younger person was not very happy and asked why had I used those songs - a history lesson and lengthy explanation ensued! Similar conditions still exist that caused those great songs to be written ie war / racism / poverty etc As for reverb - i'm sure Frank Z must have tackled that one somewhere - he tackled everything else!
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