GPO4 (64 bit) in X1 64 bit

Hi,
 
Is anyone running GPO4 (Aria) in SONAR X1 64 bit? When I save a project that uses the 64 bit Aria Player, and then re-open it:
 
- all mixer channels go back to output 1/2, no matter what they were set at before.
- The Aria player will not stay in the multidock, or as a seperate window. I have to go back to the synth rack to open it.
 
Has anyone else seen this? It should remember these settings.

Hi lorneyb2,

It's definitely the 64 bit one. I'm talking about the aria outs. There are 32 of them in stereo pairs. If you select the multi out version, you should be able to set each mixer channel (with an instrument on it) to a different pair of outputs. When you reoad the project - these outputs shouldn't all go back to "out1/2" ;-)

I'm just using the "not multi output" version to avoid farting around with this...
(so everything from Aria goes to out 1/2 and I can bounce each MIDI track seperately)

It also is staying docked in the bottom multidock for me as well. I am on X1 build 255 here. Aria engine version v1.111(windows x64)

Hmm - that's what's not working for me. I just applied quickfix 255 and found the Aria 1.111 update. I thought it was weird that the Aria player won't stay docked, and won't even stay as an open (minimised) seperate window.

hmmm...

This is an issue I haven't heard before, John, and a pretty major one at that.  I'll see if I can get some info from people at Plogue.  I'm a moderator at the Garritan Forum, and think that someone there may being able to suss this out.  I know others have been having great success with Aria 64 bit, so feel there's something out of whack here.

Could you please list some of your system specs on this thread?

Randy B.

jbraner


Hi Randy,
I haven't heard anything from the GPO forum - except that the SOANR guru (I can't remember his name) was away for a little while. This certainly is pretty big, and I'd like to think it's something I'm doing wrong - but I don't think it is. There is another setting where the reverb is always enabled every time Aria is loaded. This isn't as serious - but is annoying. If I recall, there is an xml file that can be modified to "remember" these settings - but that is not really optimal.

My settings are:
- Windows 7 x64
- SONAR X1b qfix 255 x64
- GPO 4.02
- Aria player 1.111

(not really important)
8 GB RAM
Q6600 quad core 2.4 GHz
lots of other plugins etc etc

I hope my description is accurate. What I'm saying is - in the mixer, if you set each part (instrument) to a different output pair and MIDI channel (which is the normal thing to do) - if you save the project, and then open it again, all parts are set for output pair 1/2.

I can work around this by bouncing each instrument separately (I always bounce everything to audio eventually, before I finish mixing a project), but I know this isn't the way it should be.

rgds,

Thanks for the info, John - I'll see what I can suss out.  --The Garritan Forums have been rather low-key for awhile, sorry you haven't gotten help there yet.  This issue you describe has me perplexed so far. - Ambience (the reverb unit) always being on - That shouldn't be an issue as long as the Aria sends are defaulting to zero as the should.  I'll be back to you.

Randy B.

jbraner

Ambience (the reverb unit) always being on - That shouldn't be an issue as long as the Aria sends are defaulting to zero as the should

Just a possible waste of CPU if you're never going to use it ;-)

I would always use a reverb send that' s being shared with other tracks...

Hi, John - I've looked at the most current info at the Plogue site, the one dedicated to Aria, but couldn't find info about Aria in X1.  I've also posted your question and a link to this thread on the Garritan Technical site.  I sure hope some answers emerge, because X1's been out 6 months now - surely this problem hasn't been happening all that time without it being talked about before.

Even though I have X1, I'm still using 8.5, my preference.  I can't really test Aria for this, - my computer with X1 on it is currently---dead in the water, unfortunately.

You're right, of course, that you'll be wasting CPU power keeping Ambience on if you're not going to use it.  I thought maybe the CPU usage was negligible, but there are certainly times when every drop of power counts.

You said "...I would always use a reverb send that's being shared with other tracks..."--- Did you mean the opposite of that?  A reverb send is unique to a single track, it isn't shared.  Maybe you meant that you don't like for instruments to share a common source reverb plug-in via sends?--

This audio channel re-set you're experiencing is a drag - Hope we can figure it out for you.  Meanwhile, it's great that you're bouncing your MIDI to audio, I feel that's the best practice.  It's just unfortunate that currently you're forced to do that one track at a time.

Randy B.

Okay, I had a go at this and this is what I found:
 
I loaded X1 and only had the X86 version of GPO4 available but tried having separate tracks (outputs and midi) for three instruments anyway. It worked ok. Saved, closed, reloaded and still ok. Went to go on here to say and then realised I just used the 32 bit version of Sonar!
 
Tried to open the same project in X1 64 bit and it locked up!
 
Next I opened X1 64 and created a new project. Loaded the 64 bit version of GPO4 (so that's where it was hiding!). Did the same kind of experiment - three instruments, three midi tracks and three outputs (well 16 outputs but three used).
Project worked ok so I saved, closed X1, reloaded X1, loaded the project and all is well.
 
Sorry you have a problem but I can't replicate it.
 
Grum.

[<font]Sometimes screensets cause problems especially if they're locked. Make sure they are unlocked, make the changes you want, save and restart.

HTH

Update:  One of the main Garritan programmers replied to a thread I started on the Garritan Technical Forum about this issue.   He said:

"...It sounds like a persistence issue. I can check it out later today. I'm re-installing the 64bit version of X1 now.

My guess is that its something in his X1 project that is causing this, either screenset or another X1 feature that is unknowingly resetting his outputs..."

So his guess is the same as Guitarpima's, that this could be another case of screensets tripping users up.  We'll see what Chad, the programmer, comes up with.

Randy B.

jbraner


DOH!!! Yes it was the locked screen set. It works fine now. Sorry for wasting time with this, but the "mysterious" locked screenset coincided with using GPO Aria for the first time since upgrading to X1 - so that's what I suspected.
 
One interesting thing - if you set a part (in the mixer) for a pair of outputs, but don't load an instrument into the part - then it always goes back to output 1/2 - but that seems normal enough. ;-)
 
I tried it with my track template and with inserting the Aria via the synth rack - and it's behaving like I thought it should.
 
The ambience is always on when you load a new version of Aria - but that's not a big dela either (I'll double check that it saves it's state when you turn it off)
PS - thanks a lot to everyone who took the time to help out.
 
The moral of the story is WATCH THOSE LOCKED SCREENSETS (and don't accidently lock them)
 
PPS - The ambience module saves it's state after you turn it off and save the file (and reopen it)

Excellent, John - Glad it's all figured out.  I'll post the problem as resolved at the Garritan Forum.

Don't feel bad though - I think accidentally having screensets locked is quickly becoming the #1 error with X1, because it's so easily done, and the results can be mysterious.

Thanks for the report.

Randy B.

I started another thread
http://forum.cakewalk.com...22&mpage=1#2315522

Let's try to stamp out unwanted locked screensets! ;-)