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Sonar Not Exporting Properly
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I was wondering if anyone knew the resolution to my problem is. This issue has been going on since version 8 of Sonar. Now I have upgraded to Sonar X1 and my issue persist. Whenever I export my final project I can only hear the drums when it is played in a music player on my cell phone using the loud speaker option. When I plug in a pair of head phones it works fine. You can hear the complete mix just fine. I know it is not the cell phone because it does this on ALL phones. Anyone know the resolution to this issue?
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Frank Haas
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:10:11
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my 1st guess: it's a mixing problem -> user fault!
play the project in mono, adjust levels in mono, listen again with your cell phone..
can you post a sample ?
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:13:16
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http://www.divshare.com/download/14951553-313 <--if you hear it on a computer it sounds fine...but when it is downloaded and played in a phone via loud speaker...it will not work unless you use headphones...all you hear is drums. The projects was made in mono...so I do not understand.
post edited by Product - 2011/05/27 16:14:45
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:25:14
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woaw.. yeah.. I can hear and see it..
you are way out of phase with your mix.. meaning that everything besides the drums cancel out!!
do you have a correlation / vector analyzer tool (ozone/digicheck/..) ? then you'll see for yourself..
it's hard to tell how you got into that mess.. Its the second time I hear and see negative phases.. too much m/s-processing ?
switch your playback to MONO and listen !
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:28:31
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This is all kind of a foreign language to me. So I would have no idea how to fix it. Most of the stuff I mix is done by ear not taught knowledge. Where do I switch playback to mono?
post edited by Product - 2011/05/27 16:30:31
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:33:16
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the left side is out of phase with the right signal.. if you combine them (mono) they'll cancel out -> silence !
I don't know how you did it.. you might want to wait for some more pro's to chime in or google it..
that's why I said mix in mono ! place the channel tool on your master out.. double click both sliders.. and you'll get a mono signal and all you'll hear will be the drums.. (the cellphone speaker: mono)
now that you only hear the drums, you should track down the tracks and nudge/move them till they are audible again.. maybe you have a short delay somewhere that cancels out everything besides the drums..
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 16:38:11
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 the Correlation needs to be positive.. negative values cancel out the signal
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 17:05:33
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I am not sure what I just did with "Channel Tools" but now I hear the melodies!
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 17:12:17
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Channel Tool can "play" with phases as well.. I guess switching the phase of one side might solve your problem.(top left on ct-gui) I am just starting to get into that "analyzing" topic myself.. so I can't tell much more than I have.. your mix sounds pretty decent.. but it's not mono compatible.. that's what you need to change. If you re-check your mixes with channel tools set to mono then you can be sure that your mixes translate well on mono sources (cellphone) I just tested the Left and Right Phase Switches within Channel Tools.. and yes.. switching the phase of one channel fixes your problem.
post edited by Frank Haas - 2011/05/27 17:17:40
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 17:16:15
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Awesome! You were a great help!
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 17:19:00
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thank you..
that was really a fast fix on a quite difficult issue..
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 18:00:19
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 18:05:15
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Thanks for this post. I read it at first and thought "what on earth is this all about?" and then I realized that it was a mono-compatibility issue.
Very interesting, actually. I teach a HS tech class; I'll be sharing this post with them next week. Really drives home the point of paying attention to phase and the potential problems in mono-mix applications.
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/27 18:06:29
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This was very much needed...I have been dieing for months...lol.
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/28 01:28:21
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Re:Sonar Not Exporting Properly
2011/05/28 16:54:19
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I'd be curious to know how the OP managed to invert the left and right channels to begin with. I can't think of how you'd do that without something like Channel Tools. Could this be the result of some overly-aggressive M/S processing, perhaps some stereo enhancer plugin?
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2011/05/31 08:44:54
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