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2011/05/30 11:55:05 (permalink)

static on recording

I guess this is a new topic, though it is still part of my adjustment to my newcomputer, as from the "New computer fast, but..." thread.
I now find that when I record an audio track from my already recorded MIDI data, I am getting terrible distortion on my audio track. I have even started to record at a  much lower amplitute, so that the peaks do not even touch the top of the meters. I still get this distortion, which is very prominent. I have even copied the MIDI track, then opened up a new project, and tried to copy to audio in that new track. However, the distortion continues. I have then moved my buffer bar a little to the right, thinking that this might help, but it doesn't.
One clue I may have is that when I go to options\audio, and I hit the Audio hardware profiler, I see that--after it does it's profiling action--it says "Audio hardware profiled," but that 176400 Hz and 192000Hz are each not available. It is a Delta 66 M-Audio card, and I have a new pretty fast computer (Intel i5, 3.2 Ghz processor, with 6 GB of RAM.)
Any suggestions. The distortion is as loud as the recording, so it's not something I can ignore.
Thanks.
LarryN
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    Chappel
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:06:51 (permalink)
    What is your project's sample rate? I'm not sure what you mean by "copy to audio in that new track". Do you mean bounce to track? What soft synth are you using?
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:11:59 (permalink)
    I should add that the distortion is worst around the chords that are highest in pitch. That is why I thought that the fact that the 2 higher freq bands that the profiler said were not available might be a clue.
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:17:41 (permalink)
    Oh yes, others have had questions about this before.
    What I mean by "Copy to audio in that new track" is: sometimes when I record things, I first do it in MIDI format, so I can make easier edits. I am doing this with external hardware synths. When I am ready to put it down to audio, I simply solo the MIDI track, and record to a new audio track. It has always worked before.
    As to my project's sample rate, I must confess ignorance x 2. The first one is that I don't know, and the 2nd one is that I don't even know where to look. I guess I could search around, unless you have a quick answer.
    Thanks.

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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:33:57 (permalink)
    Ok, I got that info. My music computer is 2 floors down.
    My sampling rate is 44,000 (or did I write 44,100?).
    The audio bit driver depth is 16. I do NOT have the box near 64 (bit?) engine checked, since I've heard it's not needed if I only have 6 kHz of RAM.
    Buffer is all the way to the left (it says "fast", with an effective latency at 5.8 (or 5.6.) My writing is pretty bad.
    Dim solo gain is -12dB.
    Thanks for your interest
    LarryN
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:39:35 (permalink)
    So you are recording your external synth's audio? One possible reason for the distortion you are hearing is that your synthesizer is sending a signal that is too hot for your audio interface. Your audio interface should have some kind of mixer software where you can see, and adjust to, incoming audio signals. How high do you have the volume control on your synthesizer? What inputs on the Delta 66 are you plugging your synth into? If you are using 1&2, try using 3&4.

    One of the most important things about audio recording is making sure the signal is close to where it will clip, but not over, and not too weak. Too weak leads to noise and too strong leads to distortion.

    To see your sample rate go to Options>Audio>General Tab.


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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 12:45:41 (permalink)
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    I should add that the distortion is worst around the chords that are highest in pitch. That is why I thought that the fact that the 2 higher freq bands that the profiler said were not available might be a clue.


    Those aren't frequency bands, those are sample rates. If your Sonar sample rate is 44.1 kHz then you don't have to worry about that.
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 13:52:13 (permalink)
    Thanks for your input, Chappel. At least YOUR input is distortion free.
    My Roland JV880's volume knob IS  turned all the way up. But this is because I just don't seem to hear it loud enough if I turn it any lower.
    I am beginning to think that, as you say , the problem is with my soundcard settings. I AM using 1and 2, and I WILL try 3 and 4. However, as far as all of those other settings such as monitor and input 1 and 2, vs Multi input 1 and 2, monitor, and another option that I can't remember now--I'm lost at to what they mean.
    However, I will explore the monitor option, and see if I can adjust that. I don't think I ever had to adjust sound card settings on my other computer, though perhaps is was so long ago that I forgot.
    Thanks again for your input.
    And, looking again, the sampling rate IS 44100.
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    Re:static on recording 2011/05/30 14:32:50 (permalink)
    If your soundcard has LINE level inputs, you should use those for your synth. But even Inputs designed for guitars, basses and microphones will work if you adjust the incoming signal to match their sensitivity.

    Remember, the signal going INTO your soundcard isn't necessarily the reason you can't hear it. Your soundcard has Input adjustments and Output adjustments. You have to check each one of those in your soundcard's mixer software. If the Output of the mixer is too low, then the volume will be low no matter how high you turn up the synth's volume.

    You have to check every link in the chain to make sure all the signal levels are matched. First the Input to your Soundcard, then the output of the soundcard into Sonar for recording. Once you have the output of the synth matched to the Input of the soundcard, DON'T fiddle with the synth's output unless you're using a very quiet, or very loud patch. You want to keep that synth to soundcard signal strength setting constant and at optimum levels. The signal shouldn't get close to the top of the meter. About 3/4 of the way to the top of the meter is a good ballpark place to start.

    When setting up for recording, if the track's recording meter is too low... turn up the output of your soundcard, NOT the synth. If the signal is driving the Sonar meter into the red zone, turn down the soundcard's output... NOT the synth.

    I suggest you become more familiar with your soundcard's mixer software and keep it open when recording so you can make sure the incoming audio from your synth isn't overdriving the soundcard input, and so you can adjust the signal going into Sonar when recording.

    Oh... and don't plug your synth into any plug that says "Monitor".
    post edited by Chappel - 2011/05/30 14:34:53
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