Three drive question....

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2011/06/01 18:24:57 (permalink)

Three drive question....

So they say:

C: programs
E: samples
F: Projects

Is this necessary if all you're doing is mixing (say on a laptop)?

I'm thinking the samples could be beneficial if using softsynths "live" while mixing, but if all softsynths were frozen or bounced to audio wouldn't the project residing on the C: drive be adequate?

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:31:55 (permalink)
    I think you answered your own question here.

    Ideally that 3 disk set up would work best but in the case of 2 drives than as long as your samples and programs are seperate then it's a lottery which one your projects are on as far as performance goes.

    The trick is to avoid the drive simultaneously seeking between two sets of files on the same drive (thrashing) as much as possible.

    Remember they have to be separate physical hard drives as partitions serve little or no purpose here.
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:41:19 (permalink)
    the benefit of a drive for samples is for pre-freeze or pre-bounce or live playing during recording.  once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.

    but are you going to be freezing or bouncing on the laptop?  or will the project already have frozen tracks when mixing on the laptop?

    because if you freeze them ON the laptop then it would be beneficial to have the sample drive otherwise you'll have poor performance DURING bounce or freeze.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:44:40 (permalink)
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    the benefit of a drive for samples is for pre-freeze or pre-bounce or live playing during recording.  once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.

    but are you going to be freezing or bouncing on the laptop?  or will the project already have frozen tracks when mixing on the laptop?

    because if you freeze them ON the laptop then it would be beneficial to have the sample drive otherwise you'll have poor performance DURING bounce or freeze.

    I'm thinking freeze/bounce on the DAW, copy whole project to laptop when remote mixing, copy full project (or just CWP if no audio samples were modified) back to DAW for final mix/master. FWIW laptop drive is 7200RPM.
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:45:32 (permalink)
    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:47:52 (permalink)
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    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    That makes sense. But I'm thinking when in per-project folder mode, the project folder would contain the bounced/frozen file (defacto), right?



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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:49:51 (permalink)
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    Remember they have to be separate physical hard drives as partitions serve little or no purpose here.

    Missed that one....


    Yeah, that I've pretty much understood from day one. No partitions here (on the DAW or the lappie).
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 18:51:31 (permalink)
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    Jonbouy



    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    That makes sense. But I'm thinking when in per-project folder mode, the project folder would contain the bounced/frozen file (defacto), right?


    Roight.

    So in this instance make your project folder on the samples drive.

    This of course is only an issue if you're having trouble running the project on a single drive.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 19:07:07 (permalink)
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    Jonbouy



    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    That makes sense. But I'm thinking when in per-project folder mode, the project folder would contain the bounced/frozen file (defacto), right?


    Roight.

    So in this instance make your project folder on the samples drive.

    This of course is only an issue if you're having trouble running the project on a single drive.

    Copy that good buddy.
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 20:25:43 (permalink)
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    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    A thought like that would never have entered my mind.  are you sure it does that?  It would make more sense to me to create it in the AUDIO folder (either global or per project).
     
    I'll have to go check that out.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 20:33:16 (permalink)
    JB (and Ed) - I just froze a MIDI/Kontakt track, then on the resultant output frozen track, I right clicked on it and clicked on ASSOCIATED AUDIO FILES.  the PATH for that audio file is my AUDIO drive, not my samples drive.

    do you know of a way that it would create that wave file on the samples drive?  I have always assumed that the samples drive would not ever get written to unless I specifically loaded more samples on the drive - and so far that seems to be the case.  I have browsed my samples drive and there are no sonar audio wave files on it.  just the library samples.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 20:37:37 (permalink)
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    Jonbouy



    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    A thought like that would never have entered my mind.  are you sure it does that?  It would make more sense to me to create it in the AUDIO folder (either global or per project).
     
    I'll have to go check that out.

    ?

    If the audio file(s) are in a  per project folder on a drive seperate from the program drive then of course they will be able to stream independently from whatever the program drive ends up doing.

    All you are doing in that instance is substituting samples for the bounced (printed) audio, it will still be beneficial to have that audio on the second drive.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:00:36 (permalink)
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    Jonbouy



    once frozen or bounced the sample drive would be of no benefit.


    Unless the bounced files then reside on the 'samples' drive.

    A thought like that would never have entered my mind.  are you sure it does that?  It would make more sense to me to create it in the AUDIO folder (either global or per project).

    I'll have to go check that out.

    ?

    If the audio file(s) are in a  per project folder on a drive seperate from the program drive then of course they will be able to stream independently from whatever the program drive ends up doing.

    All you are doing in that instance is substituting samples for the bounced (printed) audio, it will still be beneficial to have that audio on the second drive.


    yes, but I thought we were discussing if it would be beneficial for a 3rd drive for samples?  I must have gotten very confused somewhere!

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:33:43 (permalink)

    yes, but I thought we were discussing if it would be beneficial for a 3rd drive for samples? I must have gotten very confused somewhere!


    Ya, three drives is best but failing that in a two drive scenario the audio works better on the non-system drive if the samples have been bounced/frozen.

    So on a 2 drive setup I'd go for C: Programs, D: Samples and Project Audio.
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:35:34 (permalink)
    If you need three drives then maybe golf isn't for you (or you need a bigger club?).

    (or Am I misunderstanding the question?)


     
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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:36:25 (permalink)
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    If you need three drives then maybe golf isn't for you (or you need a bigger club?).

    (or Am I misunderstanding the question?)




    I need a becan sand wedge.

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:50:00 (permalink)
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    craigb


    If you need three drives then maybe golf isn't for you (or you need a bigger club?).

    (or Am I misunderstanding the question?)




    I need a becan sand wedge.

    PWF!


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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/01 22:57:13 (permalink)

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    Re:Three drive question.... 2011/06/02 09:30:03 (permalink)
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    yes, but I thought we were discussing if it would be beneficial for a 3rd drive for samples? I must have gotten very confused somewhere!


    Ya, three drives is best but failing that in a two drive scenario the audio works better on the non-system drive if the samples have been bounced/frozen.

    So on a 2 drive setup I'd go for C: Programs, D: Samples and Project Audio.

    Yes!  agreed!
     
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