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2011/06/02 06:58:46 (permalink)

Bose L1 system w/laptop question

Anyone here use the Bose L1 & T1 w/computer? I can get mediaplayer to sound through system but not cakewalk(drivers don't show up there...just in windows volume control)

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/02 08:09:46 (permalink)
    I don't have an L1 system nor have I ever worked with one, but I can try to help you with general information until someone else who knows more about that system might have more information for you.

    since you say the drivers aren't showing up in cakewalk, I'm assuming you mean that the OPTIONS>AUDIO>PLAYBACK and RECORDING DEVICES are not showing the bose system, correct? 

    when you connected the L1 to the computer, did you install drivers for your operating system?
    after that did you start Sonar and run the wave profiler?
    if not, go to OPTIONS>AUDIO and click on the WAVE PROFILER button.

    if the wave profiler button is not there then you might be using ASIO driver mode.  (check the DRIVER MODE) pull down to verify. if you are in ASIO driver mode then you cannot run both the EDIROL UA-25 and the L1 at the same time because they are 2 separate soundcards and ASIO mode only allows 1 system driver at a time.

    so if you're in ASIO, change to WDM and then let the wave profiler run.

    then you'll have to choose either the UA-25 as your output (and playback device) or the L1 as your output drivers.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/02 11:20:05 (permalink)
    A Bose L1 is a compact analog PA system that has simple  Audio inputs for a mike, Guitar and iPod or computer. in that manner, It looks at your computer like it would any line level audio device.
    If you are using your computers headphone jack for output use a mini stereo to 2x RCA adapter cable to the L1' s RCA inputs ( see the little iPOd logo)
    If you have an audio interface then you will need what ever output cables needed, Mo
    post edited by johnnyV - 2011/06/02 17:25:08
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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/02 12:24:42 (permalink)
    thanks for the clarification, Johnny!

    diggerbarnz - based on johnny's post non of my post above applies.  if all the L1 is - is an analog system then you won't see the drivers because there are none.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/02 20:13:02 (permalink)
    ok...1st off, the L1 has no RCA's...& laptop runs firewire/USB to the T1 mixer 1st which also...has no rca's - anyways..lol (laughin @ myself here)
    Yes I am getting sound via headphone jack on laptop into T1 mixer & yes to the audio options/wave profiler ran - drivers auto installed - after the wave profiler ran..it resulted in USB showing, but unuseable(if I choose WDM - asio...no response @ all - manual for T1  does mention changing settings for 48khz/24bit operation - will double check that.
    Thank you both for time & mental patience!

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/05 08:34:18 (permalink)
    Still in the dark here & pasting this link...hopin' you can help
    http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki...%AE_Audio_Engine_/_USB

    as previously mentioned...I get sound from media player...the only wy I can get device to show up in sonar is as WDM - but still no sound - will be calling Bose today
    Thanks for your input!

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/05 15:15:31 (permalink)
    I assume then that the T1 has USB drivers.  if not, then you'll be using USB AUDIO CODEC which is horrible.

    have you loaded software/drivers for the T1?

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 06:00:52 (permalink)
    all loaded automatically + I have ASIO4all...still nada - running the edirol now thru my voicelive & bypassing the usb


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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 08:21:19 (permalink)
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    all loaded automatically + I have ASIO4all...still nada - running the edirol now thru my voicelive & bypassing the usb


    sorry, I don't follow you.  I understand that you have ASIO4ALL installed, and I'm assuming that means you're using ASIO driver mode (otherwise, there's no point of having ASIO4ALL installed), but I don't understand what you mean about running the Edirol through voicelive and bypassing the usb?

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 09:51:58 (permalink)
    OK it seems there are more than one L1 systems. Which one do you have
    The one I looked at had RCA jacks on the mixer. But now I see this is also a L1 system and is a interface and mini mixer.







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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 10:07:46 (permalink)
    johnny - from what I've searched, that "mixer unit" is actually a "T1" which can be used with the L1 and it has a USB audio in it, but I am unclear if it has its own drivers.  I am guessing NOT that it uses the windows USB Audio Codec, which are very poor 'generic' drivers.  using ASIO4ALL is probably best with this system IF the T1 doesn't have it's own drivers.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 10:54:40 (permalink)
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    johnny - from what I've searched, that "mixer unit" is actually a "T1" which can be used with the L1 and it has a USB audio in it, but I am unclear if it has its own drivers.  I am guessing NOT that it uses the windows USB Audio Codec, which are very poor 'generic' drivers.  using ASIO4ALL is probably best with this system IF the T1 doesn't have it's own drivers.


    I was reading a page about it and it said to use the analog outputs for connection to other audio/recording equipment, including computers. The USB output is for software updates and backing up data only.
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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:00:20 (permalink)
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    johnny - from what I've searched, that "mixer unit" is actually a "T1" which can be used with the L1 and it has a USB audio in it, but I am unclear if it has its own drivers.  I am guessing NOT that it uses the windows USB Audio Codec, which are very poor 'generic' drivers.  using ASIO4ALL is probably best with this system IF the T1 doesn't have it's own drivers.


    I was reading a page about it and it said to use the analog outputs for connection to other audio/recording equipment, including computers. The USB output is for software updates and backing up data only.


    AHA!  the plot thickens!  I did not see that information anyhere!  if that's the case, then we're flip flopping back again to the "analog only" mode and he won't see USB I/O for it!

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:07:04 (permalink)
    Ya sorry about the first post, I just google L1 and got a picture of the older model with all analog inputs. Here's a article regarding the Tone Port models, which only use the USB connector.  Yep Beagle your right,, I can't find drivers support. So is this yet another case of something that's not  going to work properly without real drivers? It will work with Media player my guess which was most likely the design idea.

    I was called out to help a local musician who bought one of these ( analog only) and he couldn't get it to stop feeding back. The salesman told him to get rid of his monitors because you can put this behind you?
    Promised him the moon! It was basically a plastic PA using a bunch of very small drivers which reminded me of those old PA columns we ditched 30 years ago. It's best feature was the home stereo style sub which put out a surprising amount of bass.
     He used it once and took it back and exchanged it for a small mixer and some powered 12" boxes plus some cash back. He said next to a Fender Passport it was the worst PA he'd ever used.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:20:34 (permalink)
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    AHA!  the plot thickens!  I did not see that information anywhere!  if that's the case, then we're flip flopping back again to the "analog only" mode and he won't see USB I/O for it!


    I saw that on the Bose website page for the product. Details/manuals tab.

    Bose T1 page

    Line inputs (4/5, L/R) for analog stereo connections to keyboards, mixers and computers. Inputs accept balanced ¼" TRS cable. Edit control affects both channels.

    Preamp outputs (1 – 3) for connecting channels' dry output signals to recording gear or other amplifiers via balanced ¼" TRS cable.

    Aux output can be used with aux mode to create independent submix of channels 1 – 4/5 to route to other amplifiers or recording gear.

    Master analog output for connecting to additional L1 systems, amplifiers or recording gear via balanced ¼" TRS cable. Select from pre- or post-master volume settings.

    USB port for updating ToneMatch audio engine and backing up scenes via USB connection to your computer.
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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:21:38 (permalink)
    Johnny - you may have missed my last post, but it looks like Chappel has figured it out - the USB is not for A/D conversion!

    as far as the L1 system - yes, I do know you can put them behind you or beside you or anywhere on stage and they're supposed to sound great.  I know a church band that uses them, but I haven't experienced them myself.  however as the guy said you should not have other monitors on stage with you or it will screw it up.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:23:05 (permalink)
    Chappel - I didn't go to the Bose page to read the info on it.  why would I do that? 

    good catch, tho!

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 11:25:08 (permalink)
    further investigation (not that this is important to the OP) but it looks like it does have A/D converters but that's only for communication between the T1 and the L1, NOT for sending audio to the computer!

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/06 14:50:10 (permalink)
    OK so in the picture I'm guessing one view is of the unit with it's lid on, To me it looked like a USB interface. Now I see my second mistake... I guess he's back to square one and needs to use the laptop with the headphone output, Just don;t try recording or anything fancy.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/07 06:51:37 (permalink)
    Again, I've missed your replies till today - thanks to all
    In wdm mode the T! shows up as USB audio device - but of course...no sound
    My thoughts last night were to ditch backup all together - I feel confident enough w/my voice & the awesome power of voicelive 2, that I can can pull off the shows I have lined up.
    In other words - don't have the $'s for a new laptop just yet!
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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/07 07:49:14 (permalink)
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    Again, I've missed your replies till today - thanks to all
    In wdm mode the T! shows up as USB audio device - but of course...no sound
    My thoughts last night were to ditch backup all together - I feel confident enough w/my voice & the awesome power of voicelive 2, that I can can pull off the shows I have lined up.
    In other words - don't have the $'s for a new laptop just yet!
    Thanks again


    but I don't think it's designed to give you sound, even if it does show up.  there's nothing on the website that indicates it would.  the converters are only for sending digital audio to the L1's, it doesn't say anything about begin able to send it to the computer.  I'm not sure why they didn't implement that since it's already sending digital audio to the L1's, but it doesn't look like they did.

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/07 11:26:12 (permalink)
    Did you even read any of these good peoples replies? Some have put a bit of time looking things up for you trying sincerely to help.

    Your L1 is not an audio interface! It's a fancy PA system.
    You can do a solo act  and play backing tracks from your laptop using the headphone jack to one of the inputs. 

    It sounds to me like you are trying to use Sonar to play back MIDI files live.  I can't think of a more problematic way of working on stage. Nothing distracts and audience more than someone playing with equipment between songs.

    I highly recommend that you master your MIDI backing tracks to wave files! This will take some time but once accomplished you will permanently have something you can use on any audio playback device. You can make a big improvment to your sound if you take the time and energy. Each song can take from 5 min to hours depending on how fussy you get. I'm fussy.
    I've being a solo performer using MIDI since 1985.
    I am in the process of re doing my tracks using Sonar to add real Bass some real drums and improve what midi is left over. I master them all to Wave and use a Net book as my playback device running Win Amp.

      The new tracks I have finished blow the old, sad Midi stuff off the stage, to the point of now I can't stand the 100% Midi stuff at all.  :)

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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/09 06:26:31 (permalink)
    I have used the Bose L! system with a T1.  In the OP's scenario - seperate the two processes ( getting media to play correctly on the laptop, and running sound into the L1).
    Firstly, ignore the USB port on the T1 - you don't need to go near it unless you are carrying out patch changes/ saves and firmware updates for the module.  If you don't intend to do these then you are golden!
    Listen to Cactus Music - burn your Sonar projects to Wave and play on a media player.  It is much simpler and safer.  It sounds as though you have already done the following  so forgive me if it is only repeating the steps you have already taken.  If you are using Media player, then buy a 3.5mm jack socket to 2 x 6.5mm mono jack cable as suggested.  Jack to two balanced jacks may be better.  Plug the small jack into your headphone "output" on your computer (or direct out if you have it) and then plug the two larger jack sockets into channels 4/5 on the T1 box.  That gets the sounds from your computer into the T1.  If you go into the mixer settings on the T1 and raise the level of the 4/5 channel you should hear your music through the Bose L1 (if you have turned it on and made all the correct connections).  happy days!
    All the best.
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    Re:Bose L1 system w/laptop question 2011/06/10 07:14:06 (permalink)
    Thanks... - guess that'll have to do!

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