VST plugin (Reactor 5.1 - Razor) wont stop playing a single note when I hit pause/stop.

Hey guys,

I just upgraded to Sonar X1 essential from home studio.

When I open an old project, and hit play, everything sounds ok.  When I hit stop its as if I am holding down a keyboard key on Razor.  Brawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Nonstop.  

Any ideas why this midi VST note rings out?  I dont have any midi controllers attached etc.  

JoshWolfer


I actually have the same problem with other instruments as well. I have a feeling that this is an X1 bug. When I load the same project into 8.5 producer, the notes don't hold on stop.

I'm running win7 64bit producer edition. 

Which version are you running? 

I'm running Win 7 64, but I am using the essential in 32 bit 

I remember discovering a couple of years ago that the way Sonar (this was in S7PE) sends MIDI note Off commands is different from many other sequencers.  I discovered this when experiencing a problem with ReFX Nexus and got Michael Kleps and CW talking and to paraphrase Herr Kleps he stated that "CW handle midi note off in a way that works great with the old hardware sequencers but does not follow the same conventions as many DAW applications do. CW do it the most logical way but not the way most do it." which seemed very odd to me. Within a couple of days ReFX had patched Nexus to handle the midi note off commands the way Sonar sends them.

Edit: now I think about it CW sends AllNotesOff command when hit Stop/Pause but other DAWs such as Cubase send NoteOff messages for each note that is currently sounding....if I understand what happened back then the plugin developer had not programmed a response to AllNotesOff when writing the plug as all the DAWs he tested it on initially would send separate NoteOff messages for each currently sounding note......

Still happening..pls help. 

Is there an option that will stop vst synths dead when I press stop?

if you press the key that is sustaining, does it stop? 

I've found that if I just do a quick brush on the keyboard, it stops. I know it's not ideal, but it might get you working. 

In the mean time, I'd freeze the track if it's not being modified at the moment. 

Freeze it. You'll be able to hear your track and not have the notes hang.

The freeze does an auto bounce, but it makes it so you can "unfreeze" to make changes and then refreeze. Typically this is to save CPU, but it can also be used here. 

You should be able just click the freeze icon on the synth audio track (snowflake icon). If you don't have that, you can select freeze from the synth rack, but if I recall correctly, you won't see the freeze icon if the synth rack is docked on the right or left. 

You have to dock it in the multidock or make it float. It took me a while to figure that out ;)

It is also dangerous for speakers using some presets/settings.  Because some swell and end up getting louder and louder until your speakers start popping.

You should be able just click the freeze icon on the synth audio track (snowflake icon). If you don't have that, you can select freeze from the synth rack, but if I recall correctly, you won't see the freeze icon if the synth rack is docked on the right or left. 

soundsubs


This is exactly the same problem im having with Maschine. 
I dont think X1 is sending the note off which equates to the STOP playing on Maschine. 

The loop just keeps looping. and looping. and looping. and looping. 

I've got the problem with Ugo Rez and also TAL-Noisemaker. Yes I like free synths. Fortunately Noisemaker has a "panic" button which manages to stop it when it starts. I find as well that hitting the note on the keyboard again seems to help. This better be in the next quickfix.

ElectraX had that, too. But i mailed support and they fixed it. TAL Noizemaker has that same behaviour here. mailed them, no response.

question and ticking off "Always Suspend On Stop" and "always Suspend On Play" (don't actually know if both these are needed).

I think I tried one of those, but not both.  I will check it out. 

I'm bumping this. I don't know about you guys but it's still not working for me, whether I do always suspend on play, on stop, both or neither. Someone's gotta know the answer! This is really bugging me.

"...it's still not working for me, whether I do always suspend on play, on stop, both or neither."
After changing these settings, do you close Razor and then reopen it? This is necessary for the new settings to work.
 
The problem is, the new settings won't stay set once you close your project. For me, with Alchemy, i have to redo these settings (and then close and reopen the VSTi) every time i have Alchemy in a project.
 
I, too, have filed a bug report, but no definitive answer from CW yet. Hopefully, X1c will have a fix for this problem.
 
Regards
Glenn
 
 
 
 

revsnd


I only have that problem with NI stuff. It doesn't matter if it's X1 or 8.

With NI stuff there should be a panic button "exclamation point". You can also turn off X1's audio engine.

FYI, I have finally received confirmation that CW reproduced and recognizes the issue:

CWBRN-5507

Everyone hitting this issue should contact CW and let them know they should address this bug. Power in bug sighting numbers!

Thanks,

Josh