Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-)

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2011/06/04 13:50:32 (permalink)

Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-)

Hi, and though I've been a continual user of Cakewalk Pro Audio/Sonar products for some 13 years, recent times - like most of the past 6 years!! :-) - have seen fate dealing me a tough hand to play re health ( NOT playing the violins or looking for sympathy, but just by way of explaining why I've been unable to enjoy anything like the amount of recording time I would have liked, and, also, despite reading and making use of the 'net, some glaring gaps in my hardware/software knowledge!! - Hopefully the plethora of "smileys" will echo that :-) ) .
Anyway, just to get all that stuff out the way, numerous ops on my spine have left me less mobile, but more able to "get it done" in the studio, which will do for me :-)
 
Okay.....Just recently treated myself to one of the new 828 mk3 Hybrids and, first impressions are pretty good, but one of the things that's bugging me is that I can't seem to find any way of controlling, via the 828 itself, the actual mix volume coming from X1 Producer - OR Sonar 8.5.....take your pick! :-)
Of course I realise I can control it via the faders onscreen, but still I simply can't believe that there isn't something blindingly obvious that I'm missing re the 828, because if you CAN'T control the output volume ( I seem to be able to control the headphone volume, so surely........? ) then, to me, that would be just daft!
 
So if anyone can illuminate my darkness I would be very grateful :-)
Thanks a million
 
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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/05 04:48:10 (permalink)
    Hi Songwriter15!  Welcome to the this Forum.  I too just purchased the 828Mk3 Hybrid.  It takes a little practice to figure out the Ins, Mixes and outs. 

    What "OUTs" on the MOTU are you using for your Sonar final output?  Main 1-2 or Analog 1-2? what?

    The Master volume on front panel of the 828mk3 (just to the left of the headphone volume control) only controls the output of the MONITORED signal on the OUTPUT Page of Cuemix. 

    So in Cuemix FX (the software version) go to the OUTPUTS tab and make sure that the output that you are sending from Sonar is selected/highlighted for MONITOR.  Only outs that have the MONITOR selected/highlighted will be controlled by the Master Vol control on the front panel.

    For example, I send my Sonar Main outs to the MOTU Analog 1-2 outs.  Thus, on the output tab of Cuemix, I select Analog 1-2 to be Monitored.  The Master Volume on the MOTU front panel then controls the volume sent out by Analog 1-2 to my Studio monitors.

    So, what outs are you sending to and are they highlighted/selected on the output tab as MONITOR?

    If you use the MAIN outs, make sure that the MAIN 1-2 are selected for Monitoring.  If you are sending out  to multiple outs that you want to all be controlled by that Master Vol, just make sure that they are highlighted (selected) on the Output tab of Motu.

    Also remember that the settings selected in the software are stored in the MOTU for standalone use even when the CUEMIX FX software is not active, or even when the 828 is used in standalone mode (not connected to a computer).

    Let us know if this helps.

    Cecelius2





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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/07 03:53:34 (permalink)
    Thanks so much Cecelius! My darkness has been enlightened! :-)

    Maybe you can do it again by solving this little quandry :-)

    Two vocalists ( as an example ) doing a take at the same time and they both, obviously, want THEIR vocal to be higher in the cans than the rest of the mix. I simply KNOW that this must be achieveable on the 828, but, for the life of me, in terms of the manual, my brain simply can't get itself around how it's done........Maybe I'm past my sell-by date?!? :-)

    Anyway, if you can "do it again" I would, once again, be extremely grateful.

    Thanks buddy
    Take it easy.
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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/07 23:33:18 (permalink)
    I do this by having two (or more) SENDS on each vocal track in SONAR itself.  I first, however make sure that my 828mk3 has the Phones 1-2 output as an enabled pair in its own software AUDIO panel.  Then in Sonar I have one vocal SEND feed a BUS for the Motu Phones 1-2 output, and another SEND feed a different bus to the Motu Analog 1-2 output.  I do this to each Vocal Track in Sonar.  Thus I can adjust the mixes for two different vocalist.  However, I then use a JBL-MSC-1 for the Analog 1-2 output, and plug one headphone into the JBL-MSC-1.  I plug the phone for the other vocalist in the MOTU 828mk3 phone jack.

    I suspect, however, that you want to use the two front panel headphone jacks on the 828mk3, and that you want two separate/discrete signals sent, one to the left jack and one to the right jack.  Is this correct?

    I have not tried this yet.  I know that the MOTU's phone jacks are configurable in the CUEMIX FX's software, but I do not know if the pair of phone jacks can have separate signals/send to each.  I do think that it might be do-able.  I think I may have once sent a Sonar Send to the MOTU MAINS (mirrored by the left jack??) and then had a separate Sonar Send to the MOTU Analog 1-2 (which were being mirrored by the Phones as set up in the CUEMIX Phones tab).   Don't trust me on that one yet.

    Let me play around with this scenario to see what I can find--I too am new to the 828mk3.

    BTW, perhaps someone who owns the regular firewire version of the 828mk3 might want to chime in and share what they are doing.  This should not be unique to the Hybrid version.

    Also, have you asked this question on the MOTU forum yet?  There are more users of the 828mk3 over there.

    Cecelius2
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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/08 07:24:05 (permalink)
    Brilliant!! :-) You should definitely apply to write the next update of the manual!
    Thanks so much.
    Take it easy
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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/08 07:31:05 (permalink)
    Incidentally, Cecelius, ( and I will pop over to the MOTU forum as you suggest ) have you had the same hassle with actually getting the 828 recognised when you boot up in preparation for a session?
     
    It seems as though, when I boot up the pc and get to the desktop, I click on either the audio or cuemix icon and I get a "no motu hardware" type message!
    However, if I switch off the 828 and then back on again, it gets recognised as being there! Weird!#
    I've definitely seen messages in other places from users experiencing the same prob, and also comments re the sequence in which you turn on the pc/828, but not any solutions - well, not as yet aqnyway!
     
    Any comments friend? :-)
     
    Thanks as usual for your invaluable help! REALLY is appreciated.
     
    Take it easy
    Chris
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    Re:Desperate MOTU 828 MK3 HYBRID owner needs some help :-) 2011/06/08 16:36:29 (permalink)
    songwriter15


    Incidentally, Cecelius, ( and I will pop over to the MOTU forum as you suggest ) have you had the same hassle with actually getting the 828 recognised when you boot up in preparation for a session?
     
    It seems as though, when I boot up the pc and get to the desktop, I click on either the audio or cuemix icon and I get a "no motu hardware" type message!
    However, if I switch off the 828 and then back on again, it gets recognised as being there! Weird!#
    I've definitely seen messages in other places from users experiencing the same prob, and also comments re the sequence in which you turn on the pc/828, but not any solutions - well, not as yet aqnyway!
     
    Any comments friend? :-)
     
    Thanks as usual for your invaluable help! REALLY is appreciated.
     
    Take it easy
    Chris

    Songwriter15:     Glad to have helped a bit.  I have not yet had a chance to look into the routing issue, but I will.

        You mentioned the problem with the 828 being recognized upon boot-up.  I have three questions for you:

        1.  Have you downloaded the most recent drivers from MOTU?  Don't use the drivers on the CD included in the box; use the most recent drivers.

        2.  Are you using a firewire connection or the USB 2.0 connection?  If it is the firewire, make sure you are using a TI (Texas Instrument) chipset.  This has long been a problem for many firewire audio interfaces.  The TI firewire cards are much better for stability.

        3.  What are your computer specs?  It helps for us to know so we can see if there is a known issue or if others are having similar problems with similar hardware/components.  For example, see my specs at the bottom of my posts.  Are you using 32 bit or 64bit?  Are you on a lap-top or a desktop?  What processor?  Are you using Win7?  etc......  So if you could list your computer system in your post it might help.

        Finally, let us know your success and/or failure so we can learn as well.  This can be a helpful forum.  I have often learned from others what "Not to do", and that itself can help.

        Good luck,

    Cecelius2





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