Still Can't Believe No One Else Has Experienced This

I am still having the issue that Cut, Copy, and Paste suddenly cease working in Sonar.  I have to reboot the program to get them back.  I cannot detect a pattern.  This happens sporadically but often and applies to both menu commands and keyboard shortcuts.

I have mentioned this on a few other posts and, so far, I seem to be the only one with this issue.  Any comments?

Thanks.

Cut, copy and paste has been broken for me since sonar 8. I cannot detect a pattern either, but it happens frequently, in almost all my projects.
Now I`m on X1, and the problem is still there. i`m also on another computer and soundcard, so i would expect many people experience this indeed? is this normal in sonar?

Sometimes single notes don`t copy/paste, sometimes notes from a clip are missing when I paste it.

Also, when snap to grid is set to "measure" it never pastes on the barline, but somewehere around it, and then i have to drag it manually EVERY time.

It was very disappointing to see this bug still in X1..

I have problems with midi only.

It happens in track view and  in staff view. I can`t remember if it ever happened in prv.
The snap to grid problem is also in prv.

Konradh - That's a mystery to me.  C&P works predictably for me, same as always - which is to say that it needs close attention, making sure the correct track is selected for a destination, Grid is on or off as per the current need, and that the kind of data has been selected, but it works fine.

In another recent thread we were on together, someone was having a paste problem, and I put together a short video demoing a slick way to work with a screen that shows the PRV and one track of the TV.  Not sure anyone saw that, there were no replies.

Daan


Cut, copy and paste has been broken for me since sonar 8. I cannot detect a pattern either, but it happens frequently, in almost all my projects. ...

Sometimes single notes don`t copy/paste, sometimes notes from a clip are missing when I paste it.

Also, when snap to grid is set to "measure" it never pastes on the barline, but somewehere around it, and then i have to drag it manually EVERY time...

Daan - I really feel even more sure that there's user error involved with your problems, since you said C&P has been an issue since Sonar 8.  I still use 8.5, and C&P works for me the same as it always has.

C&Ping a single note is best done in PRV where you can really see what you're aiming for.

Sometimes notes are missing?  If you mean from the start or end of a track, that would be because you're selecting with the snap-to-Grid on, and there can be notes which are a little early at the top, maybe some that are late at the end of the clip.  If you mean notes missing from the middle of the clip, I've never seen that, except when I neglected to go high or low enough in the PRV to select all the notes.  If you do mean notes from the middle of a clip, perhaps a layers issue is involved, in which case it would be good to bounce to clip first.

Having the Grid set to measure has its uses, though keeping it at 1/8 or 1/16 is more universally useful.  If a clip isn't landing at the measure division with snap to measure on, then you have the grid control to "move by" instead of "move to."

Tip - It can be faster and more accurate to do your C&Ping with the grid off.  For MIDI, it's best to work in the PRV for pasting.  Just look in the time line where the highlighted portion begins, and place your cursor there as the guide for where the copy goes, if it's to be in the same place in the song.  Or, work with the grid on but be aware that your selection may not conform to the snap resolution.  In that case, it's best to go ahead and select an 1/8, 1/4 more at the beginning, just making sure that this early starting point is the one you use for when you paste.

Audio C&P, main thing is to make the zoom close enough to really see what you're doing.  With both MIDI and Audio C&P, zoomed in visuals along with listening well are as important as the C&P tools in the program.

And so forth.  I understand you guys are having some problems with C&P.  I'm saying that though the function can seem a bit quirky, but it's working, and so feel there have to be some issues with your approach to using the tools.  I tried to give you some ideas for starting points in investigating what's really going on.

Randy B.

Randy B, Thanks for taking the time to share all the information.  Hopefully as time goes on, I will be able to identify exactly what the path is leading to this error.

The odd thing is that I will be in Staff view copying and pasting away, then move to a new section, and suddenly the function is gone.  I change tracks and still can't make it work.

Since I have been using Sonar/Cakewalk since it ran on Windows 3.1 (!), I don't think it is user error, but who knows?  As mentioned, I will try to isolate the specific conditions.
For now, I can live with it as is.

Thanks again.
 
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Konradh, I've been playing pedal steel since 1969.  I was the staff steel guitar player at "Big K" studios in Kansas City in the late 70's/early 80's.

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I'm currently working on a CD project, with X1, for a semi-retired Nashville songwriter.  I'm to the point of starting to mix.  I did the Steel/Bass/Lead Guitar on the sessions.

Thank you Randy B for all the suggestions.
 

If you mean notes missing from the middle of the clip, I've never seen that, except when I neglected to go high or low enough in the PRV to select all the notes.  If you do mean notes from the middle of a clip, perhaps a layers issue is involved, in which case it would be good to bounce to clip first.

What happens is I select a midi clip (non layered) in tv, press ctrl-c, then ctrl-v to wherever the cursor is (same track). In the copied clip notes are missing, sometimes many, like 2/3. Sometimes, when I c&p in staff view, all notes are missing. I recently had a project in which copying did work in prv, but not in staff and track view. I haven`t tested if this is the case in all my projects.
 

Having the Grid set to measure has its uses, though keeping it at 1/8 or 1/16 is more universally useful.  If a clip isn't landing at the measure division with snap to measure on, then you have the grid control to "move by" instead of "move to."  

 
I recently tried to c&p a clip of 2 midi bars, with snap set to measure, first note starting excactly at the barline. When it is pasted on the cursor at the beginning of another bar, it pastes like 3 8th notes before the barline. This happens every time. Settings are "snap to", not "snap by". Isn`t that illogical? or am I missing something?
 

C&Ping a single note is best done in PRV where you can really see what you're aiming for. 

 
Good tip, I don`t know why I use the staff view more for editing, prv seems to be much better, I`ll have to get used to that...

fI'll give the split function a try - thanks for the tip.

Hey Randy.  i will continue to try to identify the path that leads to this issue.  as mentioned, i have been using sonar/cakewalk for a long time so this is a bit strange

Never had this problem in the last 15 years. I do this hundred times per day.
Copy and Paste: I drag the clip(s) while holding down the Strg-key
Cut: I mark the clip(s) and press the Del-key.
I never have done this by menu-command or copy and paste (strg-c v x)
So it works always fine.