Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface?

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2011/06/07 19:50:42 (permalink)

Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface?

I want to be able to record my vocals at a different location from my DAW set-up.  Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface?  I assume that I cannot set-up my interface a lone without having it connected to a computer so the only thing I can think of is a digital multi-track recorder unless there's something else.  If I do use a digital multi-track recorder, can I import the music I've worked on Sonar as actual audio with all the samples or do these only handle MIDI?  And for those who actually use one, which one would you recommend to use with Sonar if I also want to use it as a DAW controller?


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    Guitarhacker
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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/07 20:32:28 (permalink)
    Depends on what you're wanting to accomplish.

    I had one and I totally hated it. It was a Korg D-16. The issue I had was you had to work totally in the audio world. Sure it had digital drums built in but what a freaking pain. If you are recording an audio performance, there would be the need to export it, and sync it properly to the tracks in the DAW on the lappy.

    There is also the matter of timing between the two machines. The performance live, has to match perfectly in time or you have other problems. Tracks easing out of sync as they progress.

    For me, it was so much of a pain that I sold it on Ebay just a few months after I bought it from someone on Ebay and then I decided to buy into a laptop based DAW.

    Really, if you have a laptop, and a decent interface with good preamps, why can you not simply use the laptop at the live location? Most USB interfaces are nus powered so you can do the entire session on the lappy battery. Plug in and rock... that is really how I would go.... but that's just my opinion.


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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/07 21:03:29 (permalink)
    Guitarhacker, thanks for your response but if you re-read my post you will know what I'm looking to accomplish and that's to set something up to record my vocals at a different location from my studio computers, including the auio interface.  That's why I think a digital multi-track recorder will work but I don't know since I've never used one and don't know if you can import music created in Sonar into one and then record vocals to the music.  I think it would be perfect if it can do that and also be able to control Sonar's controls once it's back in the studio.  Maybe others who have had better experience and or are currently using one can chime in.  But thanks for your input Guitarhacker.


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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 01:34:06 (permalink)
    Well, how far away is the location from your DAW?
    And, how often do you want to do that?

    If the location where you want to record is within 20 meters, I would get some long cables and maybe control the DAW through MIDI. You can also remote desktop to the DAW using another laptop.

    If it is a special occasion, I would pack my stuff into a couple of boxes.

    If you e.g. live in a noisy appartment, and you have to record elsewhere, I would consider a recorder that you can also use as a mixer and audio interface. Maybe something like the Zoom R24. (Please don't interpret this as an recommendation. I don't know how good this thing is. However, it seems to meet your needs.)

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 10:40:37 (permalink)
    i loved using my roland vs-1880.

    i did my entire first album with that machine, and the sound of it rivals anything else i've worked with...

    problem is, it saved data in a proprietary format.

    i later found some guys that wrote a program to 'crack' the code, so to speak, and turn the data into 24 bit waveforms.

    but that's why i dropped the machine for Sonar.

    so if you go that route, make sure you can easily take 24 bit wav files out of it, and into a daw for later mixing.
    the quality of the convertors is key.
    or, the ability to use your OWN high end convertor, and go into the machine with spdif or toslink.

    the effects, doesn't matter at all, don't use them, use the machine for capture only.



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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 11:33:23 (permalink)
    A laptop with a USB interface is a great mobile setup.
    You can make visual edits, punch ins, arrangements, etc a lot easier and faster.

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 11:45:13 (permalink)
    Any portable recorder that uses MMC or a SPMTE can be synced up with Sonar. I have an old Yamaha MD8 and it still gives me excellent recordings. And yes I sometimes still will grab it and take it because it has the mixer and 2 aux buses for headphone mixes. And I KNOW it will work the first time!!!
    If it's a work in progress I'll sync it up with MMC and transfer a bed track from Sonar into 2 tracks.  I used it to record a "gang Vocal" at someones house this way. I took 4 mikes and stands and set up a small set of speakers ( I don't own 10 sets of cans)  and away we went. Back home just sync it up and transferred the tracks 2 at a time back to Sonar. Never had a problem with sync with MMC.
    It's to bad these little portable stereo recorders can't do some sort of sync over the USB port. I 'm looking to buy one.

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 13:24:12 (permalink)
    FWIW, MTC/SMPTE won't give sample-accurate sync.
    It would be fine for flying in short parts (like the vocal you mention)... where phase between tracks isn't an issue.
    If you tried to fly in 8 channels of drum kit (two at a time) using MTC/SMPTE... you'd have a phase nightmare.  

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/08 21:04:14 (permalink)
    I guess I should mention that there should always be a 4 beat count in, It's easy to align the transients. But your right , it's pretty close but not ever bang on.

    Ya a netbook/ notebook and an interface.  Most of those portables use SD cards which is an expensive  per MB.

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/09 17:50:45 (permalink)
    I have the Cakewalk VS20 and a laptop which works well.  It provides you more options than what you are asking for like BOSS COSM guitar and vocal effects as well. The beauty of it is you can use it with Cakewalk or just use the GuitarTracks software that comes with it to record. It works as a controller so you can adust things with sliders versus having to use the touchpad on the PC.  I have not had any problems importing into Sonar.  Of course at $299 this may be more than you are willing to spend by the time you get the laptop.   The software and interface is supposed to be pretty light so that you could run it on a netbook but I have not tested that. 

    Good Luck,

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/17 07:09:43 (permalink)
    If you want something more portable (=smaller) than a laptop + interface, then the recorder should be a small one. Many of the digital multitrackers with more features, a proper display etc. are equally big as a laptop.
    A really portable one would be Zoom4. I don't think it can control anything in SONAR more than an audio interface can, but it's surely capable of the tasks you mentioned, with it's built-in - or an external microphone.

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/17 12:21:45 (permalink)

    What you really want is not as much a possible solution for remote sessions as a standalone recording device that you'll also be able to use as a control surface for Sonar, right? Kind of like justifying the acquisition of a new studio toy, uh? ;)

    Because, in all honesty, besides being eminently portable, a laptop/usb or fw interface is hard to beat as a solution in this scenario.









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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/17 12:56:16 (permalink)
    i used to have a roland 880-ex, but it died.
    for what it was, it was great. the portability and the all inclusive convenience of 'put it down, plug it in and press record' is very hard to beat, especially for demo and creative purposes. nowadays, these types of devices have gotten even better, but like rain stated above, a laptop and an interface will serve you well both on-location and back at your 'studio.' you can integrate your location recordings seamlessly. a lapper will also serve purposes other than audio, so although the price of a laptop/interface will be more than a decent portable digital recorder, you'll also get a lot more for your money.

    here's a couple of interfaces that will play-nice with sonar. depending on your needs, they both have different pros/cons (each same price).
    http://www.sweetwater.com...=1&zmap=VStudio100

    http://www.sweetwater.com...1&zmap=OctaCapture

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    Re:Would a digital multi-track recorder be a good substitute for a laptop and an interface 2011/06/17 13:15:32 (permalink)
    M@ B

    a lapper will also serve purposes other than audio, so although the price of a laptop/interface will be more than a decent portable digital recorder, you'll also get a lot more for your money

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    That is a major bonus. To be able to do all the tedious tasks that you don't necessarily feel like doing when you spend time in the studio - it's quite awesome to be able to edit my own loops, create libraries for my sampler and do stuff like maintenance or exploring some functions I'm less familiar with while sitting in bed at night.


    The time you have to spend performing those less glorious tasks suddenly becomes fun again and you're not "wasting" studio time.


    I put my portable set up together out of necessity, as I'll be on the road for the next 5 years, and, honestly, I've reached a point where I can't imagine going back to a strictly static rig. Even when I finally get back home, my laptop will remain a crucial element, if not the center of my rig. 



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