Adjusting duration of notes

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2011/06/09 12:18:08 (permalink)

Adjusting duration of notes

Hi.  I've recorded a song off my electric piano and captured the midi sequence.  I want to play this back via one of the String soft synths.  Yesterday, while messing around with some vertically split triangles at the bottom of the screen (which I think show up in Piano Role view underneath the Velocity line, now showing as CC:64 (Chan:1) - I was able to adjust the duration of the notes so it would sound more fitting for a violin piece.

Today I can't replicate that.  Could someone explain the correct way to do this?  (My goal is to record in piano, capture midi, then lengthen or shorten note duration as desired to play back on string soft synth)

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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 12:31:23 (permalink)
    The CC64 events represented by the up and down triangles are sustain pedal up and down events. Editing note durations in a track that uses sustain can get tricky. It would be best to play non-piano parts without using sustain, and edit the note durations directly in the PRV by dragging their endpoints.

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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 12:57:36 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice, brundlefly.  Right now I was just in the tinkering stage and wanted something quick and dirty without re-recording the whole song (although that sounds like the way to go if I want better control).

    In terms of how to adjust those pedal events, however, after a bit more experimentation I realized that the selection tool doesn't let you make adjustments - you need to use the Smart Tool or the Move tool - you can then select one event, a section of events on timeline, or the whole thing and adjust as desired.

    Have a separate question in relation to this:
    I have one Midi track from the piano.
    I duplicated this midi track so I could use it to drive a string soft synth.

    Is there a way to adjust the pedal events on one of those midi tracks without changing them on the other one?  (or does Sonar track this as the single midi track even though it puts up a visual representation of a second one).  I guess the same question would apply if you wanted to change some notes for a second instrument.

    Is cloning the track handled differently thatn just Dragging an extra copy into a new track?

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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 13:42:09 (permalink)
    Cloning a MIDI track, including all events, will create an independent clip that you can edit without affecting the first clip. Cloning a track also clones all the track header settings, so you would need to change the track name and output or channel assignment at a minimum, and adjust other parameters as need to suit the new synth assignment.

    Copying a MIDI clip to another track (or another location in the same track) can create linked or unlinked clips according to your Copy/Paste or Drag-and-Drop editing choices/preferences. If they are linked, they will have dotted lines around their borders, and an edit made in one will be reflected in the other. They can be unlinked by right-clicking either, and choosing Unlink.

    As an aside, Cloning an audio track with its clip will just create a new pointer to the audio file until you make some destructive editing change or bounce one of the clips, at which point SONAR will create a new, dedicated audio file for that clip.



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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 14:19:23 (permalink)
    Thanks brundlefly -

    Turns out my midiclips weren't linked (as per my preferences where Copy Entire Clips as Linked Clips is Unchecked - thanks for that tip; now I know what that's for).  I thought that CC:64 in the PianoRoleView would update whenever I selected a different midi track in my Track View, but guess not.  When I click within the piano view and choose which track to display, I can see that the 2 midi tracks let me adjust settings independently.

    I really love the Sonar forums and appreciate you taking the time to help answer questions for those like myself who are trying to learn the software.

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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 20:36:20 (permalink)
    I usually deal with this situation by deleting all the pedal events from the track and then stretching individual notes as needed. An easy way to delete pedal events is via the Event List.


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    Re:Adjusting duration of notes 2011/06/09 22:40:04 (permalink)
    I really love the Sonar forums and appreciate you taking the time to help answer questions for those like myself who are trying to learn the software.



    Sure thing. Glad to help. 


    If you want to get really tricky, I'll send you the CAL script I wrote that converts sustains to durations. 

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