Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise?

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2011/06/12 22:47:55 (permalink)

Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise?

Hi all.

I just got MC5, downloaded it into my laptop, and proceeded to get ready to record.

(set-up my mic input level using the built in soundcard, set-up my audio input/output, ran the software profiler to see if my system was adequate for recording, etc.)

My levels are instantly clipping as soon as I arm a track for recording. This is even BEFORE plugging-in my guitar or keyboard. (levels are still clipping when stuff is plugged-in)

I have no fancy audio interface, so I am left using my laptop's built in 1/8" mic input.

I read that programs running in the background may cause this...but I can't tell which ones to shut off if that is indeed the case... how do I tell which programs are "non-essential"? All I have running in the background is stuff that is essential to my PC like my mouse or inherent windows-based functions.

Maybe I am completely missing something, or 1/8" built in mics always have this problem.

I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on the matter!

Thanks very much.
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    57Gregy
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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 00:20:28 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum.
    Is it just noise or are the tracks showing visible clipping in the wave forms? Or are the record level meters showing thar the level is too hot (in the red)?
    Are you using a microphone or plugging the guitar/keyboard into the mic in? The combo mic/line inputs on many computers have a mic pre-amp that must be turned off for line recording. So select 'line in' and deselect 'mic in' in the sound card's properties.
    Did you lower the input level of the sound card?
    Of course, there are many things that could cause noise in a circuit; RF interference, wireless devices connected to the computer, bad jacks on the cables. And virus scanners and other programs running in the background.
    Did you also download and install the MC 5 update? There is a link to that in one of the stickies at the top of the forum.
    What's your operating system? What is the sound card?

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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 06:30:51 (permalink)
    I'm also unsure of what the problem actually is - clipping or noise, two totally different things with totally different solving schemes.

    I guess at least you should check the windows mixers levels.

    Or perhaps you're talking about a feedback loop? Could that be caused by laptops integrated microphone being abled? If the clipping occurs immediately after arming a track it might be a feedback. By clippinng, do you mean the meters jump to max and stay there without any movement? What do you hear during the clipping - a constant noise?

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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 07:51:36 (permalink)
    It is best to use a "fancy audio interface" as you put it.... they do tend to work much better than the factory cards.

    The noise you are experiencing, might be coming from the factory card itself. Clipping indicates very high signal levels, and you will need to look in the windows mixer window and lower the input levels. They might have gotten set to 100% by accident. Lowering them can often solve the clipping issues.

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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 13:56:04 (permalink)
    Hi again,

    and thanks everyone for your input!

    In reference to some of the questions:

    The track level instantly peaks into the red as soon as a track is armed
    I can hear the guitar or piano through the program when it is plugged into the 1/8" input...but there is a static/crackling noise as well.

    When I go to adjust my computer's audio properties via the volume icon, it shows "Master Volume, Wave, SW Synth, CD Player, Mic Volume, PC Beep" and no "Line-in".

    I have tried lowering the "Mic Volume" setting, but it has no effect on the recording input level in MC5.

    I myself would greatly prefer a nice audio interface, but don't have extra money to spare for that at the moment!

    When I try to record a track, it shows a sound wave being recorded (of my guitar or piano,) but there is so much crackling noise you can't hear it well at all during playback.

    I have another laptop I can try the program out on; that one has dual processors, and perhaps I can load the program onto its own drive...and not run ANY programs in the background?

    The computer I'm using now is an older Dell, 1.6 gh processor, .99gb RAM, XP Service Pack 3. Believe it or not, the hard-drive speed isn't given under Computer>System Information.

    The other laptop is a Dell Inspiron, but I think it may have a faulty hard-drive...that's why I didn't install the program on that one to begin with.
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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 15:24:58 (permalink)
    you have to lower that input.  that noise is digital overage if you're peaking in the red as soon as you're armed.

    you said lowering the mic volume has no affect on the recording input level - if that's the case then you're not using the MIC input, or your soundcard input is defective.

    when you are arming a track - what EXACTLY is the INPUT you have selected?  what exactly does it say?

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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 15:37:19 (permalink)
    "Master Volume, Wave, SW Synth, CD Player, Mic Volume, PC Beep" and no "Line-in".

     I think you are only looking at the playback levels. You need to look at the record levels, and be sure your input is set to mic and not line level. ( Some computers have a common input for both line and mic ).


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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 15:38:20 (permalink)
    when you are arming a track - what EXACTLY is the INPUT you have selected?  what exactly does it say?


    For input:


    Realtek HD Audio Input (my built in soundcard) is highlighted
    (either left mono, right mono, or stereo...I tried them all)


    For output:


    Realtek HD Audio Output is highlighted


    I also have headphones plugged into the headphone line out so I can hear what I'm doing.


    Then, when I press record, or press Input Echo, the level on the meter jumps all the way into the red...even when nothing is plugged into the input.
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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 15:40:52 (permalink)
    "Master Volume, Wave, SW Synth, CD Player, Mic Volume, PC Beep" and no "Line-in". 

     I think you are only looking at the playback levels. You need to look at the record levels, and be sure your input is set to mic and not line level. ( Some computers have a common input for both line and mic ). 



    Yes, you're right. I just listed all the possible audio options. In the Audio Recording box I just have "Mic Volume" and "Stereo Mix".


    I tried lowering Mic Volume and that didn't affect the level on the track meter.
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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 16:17:42 (permalink)
    Realtek HD Audio Input (my built in soundcard) is highlighted
    (either left mono, right mono, or stereo...I tried them all)

    it looks like you're not using a MIC input on the track - that's why it doesn't affect the input level.  reduce the LINE LEVEL INPUT on the realtek, not the MIC INPUT and see if that doesn't affect the input level in MC.


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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/13 20:59:24 (permalink)
    In a former version of cakewalk that used the windows sound mixer I had to set the record input levels very low... I'm talking about 1.5 or 2 on a scale of 1 to 10.... if I didn't, I got serious distortion too.



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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/14 00:22:03 (permalink)
    If Stereo Mix is selected, that might be causing a feedback loop.

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    Re:Possible to use 1/8" mic input on my laptop WITHOUT getting tons of noise? 2011/06/14 02:26:50 (permalink)
    Indeed.
    If Stereo Mix is selected as the recording source, and you enable Input Echo, a feedback loop is virtually guaranteed.
    Since you are using XP, check this out. It may help.
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