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Serious question about recording electric bass.
Got a bass about a year ago. I got one of these, it's got a J neck, P body, and a J/P pickup combo ... I've been having some problems recording and was hoping to get some advice from the bass players here. 1. I get a clicking/clacking sound from the string coming off the fret. Almost like the string is stuck to the fret magnetically so to speak then pops up. Is this a setup problem, string problem, playing technique problem? 2. I'm running it through a tube preamp now but I'm still having trouble getting it to sit in my mixes the way I want. I get plenty of low end, but I'm having trouble getting mid to high end like I hear on pro recordings. I read that some go DI with bass so I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong? If I EQ to emphasize those frequencies the fret clicks really stand out. Any suggestions on this? 3. Would I be better off running it through an amp and micing it rather than DI? TIA, Bub
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:38:39
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Bub, Is it on the attack or release? If it's on the attack (like I get from aggressive paying) I was turned on to the idea of external compression in the recording process. I use a UA LA-610 with on board compression. That compressor was not cutting it. I got a dbx 266xs and that did the trick. If it's on the release then I'd say it may be a setup problem. Maybe replace those magnetic frets with the proper ones. HTH.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:46:19
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1. It's probably set-up. A Squier is probably in need of some set-up out of the box. 2. The best DI for bass is a SansAmp Bass Driver. 3. Some people prefer mic'ing a bass amp (or combining that with a DI signal), but DI on bass is the "norm". That's what I do.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:47:54
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dlogan the "norm".
Where does one get a "norm"? Does it require a dongle?
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:49:43
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Bub, the first problem is obvious: it's backwards! DI is definitely the cheater's friend. Fewer complications and more options during the mix. You can throw on a little distortion, which helps midrange definition. The buzzing is probably something you should have a good guitar tech look at. Do you hear it when you play unamplified? IOW, is it mechanical or electrical?
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:58:53
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I thought frets were non magnetic... "brass" ? Round wound or flat wound strings? I would think as long as the strings are not buzzing on the frets above the fretted note set up would be OK. It's been a long time since I had a bass.... but if it's a squire, it's also at the lower end quality wise on the bass guitar tree... but still it should play OK without clicks. Could be , like you said, a playing technique issue as well if the set up is fine. Fast release and see how it does. On the tone, I would use some sort of amp/preamp that is designed for a bass and has tone controls or modeling built in. Sort of like a POD or similar gizmo.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 13:59:35
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I believe there is a difference between buzzing and clicking. Have you checked pickup height for the clicking and tonal issues? Have you checked that all the pups are working? Have you checked your nut and sure that the strings aren't clicking/popping from being in a bind? Is it hard to press the strings down at the first fret? String slot issues can be at the saddles too. Binding in the grooves can cause you clicking/popping issues.
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Bub
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:06:21
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bitflipper Bub, the first problem is obvious: it's backwards! DI is definitely the cheater's friend. Fewer complications and more options during the mix. You can throw on a little distortion, which helps midrange definition. The buzzing is probably something you should have a good guitar tech look at. Do you hear it when you play unamplified? IOW, is it mechanical or electrical? The backwards thing is a curse. :) I'm right handed but play left. Buzzing isn't really a problem unless I get sloppy with my playing. The best way I can describe what I'm getting is a clicking/clacking sound when I lift my finger off the fret. Yes, it is there if I play unamplified. It doesn't do it if I fret very lightly or fret normally and use a pick. If I use my thumb and fret normally it's there. I can't imagine them raising the action anymore, it's really up there now, although I do get some buzzing up around the 8th fret on the A string. How about different strings? Maybe a set of flat wounds?
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:13:33
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spacey I believe there is a difference between buzzing and clicking. Have you checked pickup height for the clicking and tonal issues? I did adjust the height on the E string. That helped a LOT! When I look at the wav form being recorded I get pretty even peaks now. Before the E would spike 3 times higher than the other strings. Have you checked that all the pups are working? No, but I will. Have you checked your nut and sure that the strings aren't clicking/popping from being in a bind? It tunes very easily so I'm assuming the nut isn't binding. Is it hard to press the strings down at the first fret? No. It actually plays like a dream. String slot issues can be at the saddles too. Binding in the grooves can cause you clicking/popping issues. It's definitely at the fret. More so at the low end of E and A. The higher up the neck it doesn't do it.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:21:22
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Bub I think it's your pups. Press down on each string at the last fret ( closest to pups) and make sure you have clearance between the strings and magnets.
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Bub
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:24:14
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bapu Bub, Is it on the attack or release? It's on the release. The string comes off the fret a few miliseconds after I release. If it's on the release then I'd say it may be a setup problem. Maybe replace those magnetic frets with the proper ones. I'm sure they're not really magnetic but that's what it looks and feels like. :) I'm really starting to love playing bass. Sometimes I'll loop my songs and play along for an hour trying different sounds and riffs. It's one of those of those things that can make or break a song and you really don't even hear it half the time. I love it and I'm hooked just like I was on guitar back when I 12. I'll never play live so I can't justify getting a really good bass. Although, this was $399 which isn't a small amount of change.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:25:31
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Generally you only get "fret noise" when the string hits a fret, either from your fretting hand (particularly if it's fretting from too far off the fretboard), or plucking more aggressively than your (possibly too low) action will allow. Otherwise, what you may be hearing is not the frets, but your finger sliding a little bit against a roundwound string as you pull it off the fret or string. But sometimes bass can be just be a little noisy, particularly if you're using roundwound strings, going for a fairly bright sound, and/or playing aggressively. I would recommend practicing unamplified first and try to get as clean, even and close as possible to the sound you want. I think of bass as a "plucking-hand" instrument first - varying where and how you attack the stings is where you will get most of your sound. Of course the instrument, the PU's and strings also make a huge difference. If you want a bright sound, fairly new roundwound strings plucked closer to the bridge are a big part of that. But new roundwound strings are also noisier. Outside of some rock styles, most modern bass tracks seem to be recorded direct. In terms of EQ, if you're getting too much bass vs. highs, I'd start by cutting somewhere between 100-300Hz before I boosted anything.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:32:30
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Thanks for all the tips everyone. I'm going to go tinker with it now and check the pickup height and the other things suggested. I'll check back in later. Thanks!
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/13 14:38:05
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Even though I don't think it's an issue due to your statements there is one more thing to check. Your frets. Make sure you don't have one that is loose. You may be pressing it in while you play and it is "springing" back up when you release.
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Re:Serious question about recording electric bass.
2011/06/15 00:18:46
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Checked the frets and pickups and they seem fine. One thing that does need to be done is the neck adjusted. I was reading on www.tunemybass.com that if you fret between the 1st and 15th fret there should be a little bit of room between the E string and the frets. As it is now there is no gap whatsoever. It just sits evenly across all the frets. Problem is, can't find my damn allen wrenches to adjust the neck. :(
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