NW Smith
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WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
I recently purchased a new computer so I could finally run Sonar X1 (which I think is awesome). I have experienced the dreaded "static" distortion whenever I playback audio. (I get distortion whether I am using Sonar or playing audio from the web or an MP3. ) I have done research - on the Maudio Forums and on the Cakewalk Forums (and all over the internet) and have doe everything from Tweaking my Bios to optimizing windows 7. My optimization has included optimizing the Delta 1010 IRQ through the registry, installing and reinstalling the sound card. I have only one PCI card and my Delta 1010 is at IRQ 20 - and not sharing with anything else. Here are my computer specs: Mainboard : Acer Aspire M3910 Chipset : Intel H57 Processor : Intel Core i3 550 @ 3200MHz Physical Memory : 6144MB (3 x 2048 DDR3-SDRAM ) Video Card : Intel(R) HD Graphics Hard Disk : Hitachi HDS721010CLA332 (1000GB) Hard Disk : Western Digital WD10EALX-009BA0 (1000GB) DVD-Rom Drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH60N Monitor Type : Hanns.G HB175 - 17 inches Network Card : Ralink Technology RT3090 802.11n Wireless LAN Card Network Card : Realtek Semiconductor RTL8168/8111 PCIe Gigabit Ethernet Adapter I am using my Delta 1010 in ASIO - (24 Bit 44.1 setting) I have disabled my wireless Lan Card - because I am not using it. I am also using Windows 7 Service Pack 1 - and I have the latest Delta Drivers (From May, 2011) I have been tweaking my system for the last several days and experimenting with different BIOS settings without any success. I am convinced the issue is with the Delta Drivers - and how they interact with Windows 7 and my Intel Motherboard. I have reached the point where I am considering dumping my Delta 1010 for something new - though I would really love continuing using this. If anybody has any suggestions for me, I would greatly appreciate it. I just want to get back to making music and exploring the cool new features of X1. Thanks in advance!
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7-string_guy
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/19 19:52:12
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For once I may be able to help.... I've used the 1010 in all my computers with various Operating systems.... I have always used the WDM/KS driver profile....not Aiso..in sonar. I cant remember the reason Aiso did not work well for me but this might be the ticket.. I have never had noise or static or any of your symptoms...Though when i read your specs, I cringed at ACER...makes me think of walmart...hehe So try that out. in Sonar - Options - Audio - Advanced tab - driver profile... Switch it, reboot and report your findings... Edit - i just re-read your post - seems i missed your part on static during mp3s and web browsing....thats odd. And now I'm fairly certain it is the Motherboard. was this all of a sudden, or has this been an ongoing problem since its maiden install?
post edited by 7-string_guy - 2011/06/19 19:57:55
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/19 19:54:52
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I have a delta 1010 that works fine with w/7. I had a similar problem years ago that was a driver issue. Maybe try increasing your buffer setting under preferences. Can you still only use the 7/8 outputs with the latest drivers?
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/19 21:24:01
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this may not be the answer you were hoping for, but I'm going to throw it out there for thought. I had a Delta 44 for 5 years that worked perfectly in 4 different machines. then one day I did some recording and when I played back the recording there was distortion on it, which sounded like "digital overs" distortion. so I plugged the preamp out into the 2nd input. same thing. so then I decided that my inputs were fried. I started researching another soundcard to quickly replace this one while I decided what to do with the D44. I got a new soundcard to replace it. then I decided to try to get the D44 repaired. well, Avid took over the m-audio tech support. they wanted me to pay for phone support before I ever got an RMA even tho I knew the problem was physically with the unit and not some setting that a LEVEL 1 TECH could help me troubleshoot. so I decided to use it for OUTPUT only. nope. it wasn't long before it started doing the same thing on the output as it did on the input. no matter what the buffers were set to, no matter anything. so I threw it away. end of sad story. EDIT: and the D44 and the D1010 are very similar PCI cards and are made up of a lot of the same components.
post edited by Beagle - 2011/06/19 21:25:15
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/20 02:24:37
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Some things to try (These are all mentioned in M-Audio's excellent DAW optimization guide... But since you never what people have actually tried - even when they say "I've tried everything"! - I'll throw these out there): Have you disabled the onboard soundcard? If not, do it - and while you're at it, disable the serial, firewire and parallel ports - assuming you don't use them, of course. (Make sure you disable everything from the BIOS, and not Windows). Also the power management stuff in the BIOS (Speedstep, C1E, etc). Check that all of your drivers, including the BIOS, are up-to-date. Change Win7 power setting from "Balanced' to "High Performance". Temporarily disable your wired LAN (in BIOS) just to see if it makes a difference. If you're not using a power conditioner - you should be plugged in to at least a surge protector - try a different power outlet. Use a long extension cord and go to another room if you think it's necessary. There are tons more tweaks where these came from, but these are good ones to start with. Keep us posted.
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NW Smith
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/20 10:07:05
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Thanks for the replies. To 7 String Guy - I have tried WDM drivers with no luck. Jimmy: I have also been increasing the buffers. I didn't realize what was happening with the 7/8 outputs - When I installed the drivers, it automatically made 7/8 the default. I did try using this output - along with the other one - but the problem persists. Beagle: The last time I had to deal with M-Audio Support was pre-Avid days. I am convinced my issue is related to drivers and their interaction with Windows 7 and my mother board. I don't think it's a hardware issue - since it worked flawlessly for years on my XP System. Jon: Before I installed the 1010 on my new computer, I disabled the onboard audio in BIOS. I did go through the M-Audio DAW Optimization guide - Though I Specifically did not disable my wired Lan. I will try that tonight. I also went through my power management stuff in BIOS. The only thing I am not sure about is something in the BIOS called "Intel VT." In BIOS there's an explanation: "A VMA can utilize additional HW Caps provided by Intel (c) Virtualization Tech Note: A Full reset is required to change settings" I have tried web search on Intel VT, but I am not sure what it is. If anyone knows anything about it, I would appreciate. I will mess around with everything this evening. Thanks to everyone for your assistance.
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/20 22:55:04
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By the way , the noise I had that turned out to be a driver issue was more of a very loud static thing, not a overdrive or digital over type of noise, if that helps any.
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NW Smith
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/21 09:29:27
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Just an update: Last night , I upgraded my BIOS to the latest version and I disabled my on board LAN - and the problem persists. Unless I can figure something out in the next day or so, I will get rid of the 1010 and try another audio interface. Something with good drivers. If anyone has any more suggestions, please feel free to let me know. Thanks!
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Beagle
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/21 09:53:02
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have you checked your DPC latency on this system?
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/21 13:34:27
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Intel VT is not needed, and can absolutely be disabled without fear of harming your system. In fact, if it's on, you definitely need to disable it (most systems have it disabled it by default).
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NW Smith
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/21 19:57:33
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Thanks again for responding! Beagle - I did check my DPC latency a few days back and the numbers were very good. JonD - I shut off the Intel VT in BIOS and still I get the same annoying static sound. Again the sound is on all of my audio - not just Sonar - even the opening Window's 7 theme music. I am going to try a few more things - but it is looking more and more like my Delta 1010 will be on Ebay before too long.
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NW Smith
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/06/26 13:14:54
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A quick update: I am still having the distortion issue. I have tried many different things - with no luck. In my earlier post, I misinterpreted my DPC Latency Numbers. They are running high - hovering around 100 us with Spikes somewhere between 150 and 200 us. I have done all the different things - from optimizing windows to disabling different functions in BIOS. Since there is not an IRQ confilict, there has to be some process going on that is causing a conflict. It's all about the M-Audio Drivers and how they work with Windows and my particular Intel Motherboard. Anyway my M-Audio Delta 1010 is on death row, unless the governor calls in the next day or so, it will be history. To all those who have offered suggestions and advice, thanks very much!
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/10/29 16:45:51
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Hopefully you've got this all taken care of. Just as info regarding the Delta 1010 PCI (not the 1010LT), it is VERY common for the older Delta 1010's to develop the static, distortion problem as the rack unit's large Power Supply filter capacitors go bad. It tends to happen slowly over time but has been known to just go from none to overbearing overnight. I had to replace 7 of the caps to fix mine, a 9 year old Delta 1010. Also, there are IC's - one for each channel - on the audio input circuit board that get way too hot and need to be heat-sinked to cool them and quiet the input (analog inputs). Replacement capacitors are not expensive ( I bought mine on ebaY for $4.70 shipped!) BUT you have to take your rack unit completely apart to get to them to be able to unsolder and re-solder in the replacements. There is a lot of info about this Capacitor problem on the M-Audio site. One way to see if your Delta1010 is suffering this problem is if you see your input signal meter in Delta Control Panel is showing input level when there is nothing connected to any inputs.
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/10/30 11:16:29
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Thanks for checking in. I got rid of my 1010 and have been happily using a Focusrtite Scarlett 18i6.
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/11/02 05:57:25
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Just for the record, were you using the Delta 1010 PCI or the Delta 1010LT?
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/11/02 10:03:13
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Re:WIndows 7 + Delta 1010 Blues
2011/11/02 10:06:50
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aoresteen Just for the record, were you using the Delta 1010 PCI or the Delta 1010LT? the Delta 1010LT is also PCI. the difference between the 1010LT and the 1010 is that the 1010 has a breakout box with balanced connections, word clock and a few other features. the 1010LT does not have a breakout box, does not have word clock sync and has less quality mic preamps. the 1010LT has just a cable connection to the PCI card with XLR and RCA connectors directly on the cable instead of on the breakout box like the 1010 does. as far as A/D and D/A conversion, they are the exact same PCI card.
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