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2011/06/20 10:21:11 (permalink)

SONAR for Film Sound Editing

Hello! All...

I am a Film Editor, new to this Forum. I will be working on a Theatrical Independent Film in coming months.

I do Video edit in Premiere Pro and Audio in (as till now) Audition. But audition has big problems in Syncing sound with Video.
My friend suggested to me to use DAW for Sound Edit.

Considering DAW, I want to know if SONAR has such problems working with Video, especially in huge Projects like, for 2hr movie.

The Audio I/O Product I am working with is Focusrite Saffire 24 DSP.

What I am Focusing on?
* Dubbing for Film.
* Sound Editing - includes Sound Design & Background Music.
* Complete Sound Editing will be in 5.1 Surround.

With every little sound in 2hr movie, the project becomes very huge.
Please let me know if SONAR Studio can handle such kind of Project.
Share your experience on such Projects.
Let me know if I am missing something?!!!

Thanks!
Regards,
Ravi

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John T
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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/20 10:42:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpful
Sonar can handle long projects just fine. That's not where you'll have any problems. It also supports 5.1 just fine.

I'm currently using Sonar to score a film. And what you describe is entirely possible, though there are some pitfalls.

My working process is that I am importing short sections into Sonar for composing to, which is all fine and dandy. I then export out these individual pieces of music. I'm also creating sound effects and recording VO in Sonar, again, to short sections and individual scenes.

I'm then importing all these bits into another project to assemble them to the full length cut of the film.

The painful part of this is that Sonar's video support is a bit unsophisticated. The only control you have over where a piece of video appears in the time-line is "Trim-in" time, meaning you can make it start further into the video than the very beginning of the video. But aside from that, the video will always start at 00:00:00... you can't slide it around or anything.

This is in some ways a minor detail, but it does mean setting up your tempo and time signature for composing to video is an unintuitive hassle a lot of the time.

Once you've got set up to work, it's fine, and of course, once you're compositing ready-made pieces of music into a full length project, then tempo doesn't really matter at all.

Attempting to compose everything directly in one project is just about possible, but it's no fun whatsoever, and not an approach I would take.

Hope this is of some use.


post edited by John T - 2011/06/20 10:52:39

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/21 11:35:24 (permalink)
Thanks!
Good explanation!

So, you mean, except some little hassles, there are no major Problems?
Are you sure there's no Audio Sync problem in Sonar, like Audition or Vegas?






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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/21 15:00:55 (permalink)
Are you sure there's no Audio Sync problem in Sonar, like Audition or Vegas?

What audio sync problem is in Audition or Vegas?

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/22 11:24:53 (permalink)
Sonar X1 supports 7.1 surround as well as 5.1. That might be something that could come in handy.

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/24 14:41:47 (permalink)
i tried to send this in a pm, since i always feel so negative saying this in the public forum. but sonar for audio-post: niet!
i've tried a project, a film or tv episode or something, with each new version of sonar, and the conclusion: sonar is wonderful for music, but not there at all for audio-post.
nuendo or pro-tools are only tools i have confidence in to handle a film or even a tv-episode for this type of work.
some of the moderators here got angry last time this was discussed, but the way they respond makes you wonder if they really have anyone in the team with serious audio post experience.

but for music: sonar is awesome!
(Except for little things like corrupting its own project files and similar like it did when i started on a new song idea today) :P

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/24 15:07:41 (permalink)
I have to agree. Seems like lots of video quirks. But I'm also on 64-bit. I haven't tried loading 32bit for video projects.

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/29 06:11:50 (permalink)
lavoll


i tried to send this in a pm, since i always feel so negative saying this in the public forum. but sonar for audio-post: niet!
i've tried a project, a film or tv episode or something, with each new version of sonar, and the conclusion: sonar is wonderful for music, but not there at all for audio-post.
nuendo or pro-tools are only tools i have confidence in to handle a film or even a tv-episode for this type of work.
some of the moderators here got angry last time this was discussed, but the way they respond makes you wonder if they really have anyone in the team with serious audio post experience.

but for music: sonar is awesome!
(Except for little things like corrupting its own project files and similar like it did when i started on a new song idea today) :P


What specific problems did you have?

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/29 06:52:38 (permalink)
I am a sound designer and I do music as well at home and some times professionnally. It is funny cause Sonar has the best audio engine, it sounds great, is low on CPU, it can handle high track counts, BUT it wasn't created to be a post production DAW as was Pro Tools and Nuendo. The editing tools in Sonar, though excellant for music, don't cut it as a first rate editing platform, and of course, the video portion of the program isn't at all friendly. I use Sonar for music and Pro Tools for Editing.

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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/29 07:04:35 (permalink)
Concerning surround support: Back when I jumped into the Sonar train with v7 I was highly astonished and disappointed when I found that advertising surround support didn't mean that suround plugins are actually supported. Sonar just combined multiple instances of stereo plugins with it's surround bridge. You couldn't take advantage of actual 5.1 or 7.1 vst plugins.

Has this changed with X1? Asking, because I would think that Cakewalk would have mentioned such a big change in the adverts but some posts in this thread sound as if surround support is now complete.
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Re:SONAR for Film Sound Editing 2011/06/29 10:10:46 (permalink)
Everyone is giving you great advise.  Sonar is great as music composition tool.  I do a lot of cable TV and segments between commercial breaks are 10-12 minutes on the high end.  Sonar works like a champ,  Ive used it for years and never had sync issues.  BUT I have saved myself a lot of headaches by Not scoring a show in an hour long format (file).

When I have had to do audio for picture other programs are not as clunky.   But i have seen Protools and other apps choke on 2 hour programs also.  A lot depends on how the picture is prepared,  how well your computer is tweaked,  and how heavy the editing load is.
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